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Re: Google Keep

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Post by taligent »

alec wrote: post #36
larrywright wrote: post #16

I used Google Notebook fairly heavily, but they discontinued it. I love (and pay for) Evernote now, which has lots of great integrations with other products. Why would I trust Google again?

Evernote has taken hundreds of millions in funding over the course of five years. How they going to justify that investment with some portion of their 11 million users paying $45/year? Are they going to sell? If they sell, will the service survive?

It is a pretty high proportion though (>1M) and the user base is incredibly loyal. Combine with the lock in effect, lack of decent competition and opportunities into enterprise market and you have recipes for a bright future.

And there is no evidence of them selling. It is just FUD.

Re: Google Keep

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Post by benackles »

anigbrowl wrote: post #43
benackles wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Referring to something as minimal doesn't seem like a knock on the product. It's not just startups that follow lean methodologies. Google can create a minimal viable product too. In fact, this is exactly what they should do. Feature bloated products are terrible ways to launch.

It's minimal, but I'm not sure it's viable.

After spending a few minutes using the product, I have to agree. It's a very minimal product, but it has extremely poor usability considering it's lack of options. I was only commenting on the expectation for more than a minimal product from Google.

Re: Google Keep

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Post by benackles »

anigbrowl wrote: post #43
benackles wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Referring to something as minimal doesn't seem like a knock on the product. It's not just startups that follow lean methodologies. Google can create a minimal viable product too. In fact, this is exactly what they should do. Feature bloated products are terrible ways to launch.

It's minimal, but I'm not sure it's viable.

After spending a few minutes using the product, I have to agree. It's a very minimal product, but it has extremely poor usability considering it's lack of options. I was only commenting on the expectation for more than a minimal product from Google.

Re: Google Keep

#54

Post by jamesaguilar »

philsheard wrote: post #49
jamesaguilar wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Android even have lockscreen widgets before 4? I thought there were only third party lockscreens with widgets before then. It would seem that they were released in 4.2: http://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-4.2.html

Anyone know whether this is an innovative use of lockscreen widgets by Google, or is this something that's not openly available to other Android devs? Wondering whether is just a clever app by Google or something that makes it difficult for Evernote et al to compete.

In the comment you are replying to, I linked to an announcement that describes how to make this sort of widget.

Re: Google Keep

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Post by taligent »

ok_craig wrote: post #20
habosa wrote: post #18

This is extremely minimal, I'd honestly expect more from a Google product. There's not even a tutorial or anything. Also why are there not any text formatting options? I'd love a real Google Evernote competitor but this is not even in the same league. Am I missing something, or is this just neutered Google Drive?

Lots of people, including myself, feel that Evernote is overly complex and not enjoyable to use. I've always wanted a simple app that lets me sync basic text notes across devices. All the ones I've been able to find have something off about them, whether it be interface, lack of sync, complexity, or other annoyance. I find Keep to actually be quite nice, and it fits my needs. I assume there are others for whom this i…

The plural of anecdote is not data.

The facts are that Evernote has in excess of 30M users, with lots of paying users and growing rapidly. There is no evidence that this mythical complexity is affecting adoption.

And I don't see how Google Drive and Evernote are competition. Very different use cases.

Re: Google Keep

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Post by darkstar999 »

xymostech wrote: post #45
dvncan wrote: post #23

why are the css classes so funky? (e.g. class="TUdKmf-xhiy4-haAclf h1U9Be-xhiy4-qAWA2"). Are they randomly generated? what's the purpose?

It looks to me like they're just obfuscated words. If you look at one of the hierarchies, you see "TUdKmf-xhiy4-haAclf", then "TUdKmf-xhiy4-DKlKme-haAclf", then "TUdKmf-xhiy4". Seems like they're just taking a normal class like "note-body-wrapper" and "note-body" and obfuscating it.

What's the purpose of obfuscating css?

Re: Google Keep

#58

Post by evan_ »

lopatin wrote: post #14
evan_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They killed Google Notebook a couple years ago. I don't know why I should trust this one. Pretty ballsy to call it "keep", bloggers can start drafting their "Google Loses Keep" headlines now.

Data from Google Notebook wasn't lost, just transfered over to Google Docs.

Well, that's true, and to Google's immense credit they're very good about letting go of data- I was referring more to losing the product itself.

Re: Google Keep

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Post by ok_craig »

taligent wrote: post #55
ok_craig wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people, including myself, feel that Evernote is overly complex and not enjoyable to use. I've always wanted a simple app that lets me sync basic text notes across devices. All the ones I've been able to find have something off about them, whether it be interface, lack of sync, complexity, or other annoyance. I find Keep to actually be quite nice, and it fits my needs. I assume there are others for whom this i…

The plural of anecdote is not data. The facts are that Evernote has in excess of 30M users, with lots of paying users and growing rapidly. There is no evidence that this mythical complexity is affecting adoption. And I don't see how Google Drive and Evernote are competition. Very different use cases.

That's why I said "I assume." Also, Evernote being successful does not actually counter my point. That people are using it and that it's growing does not mean there isn't a separate or overlapping set of users who want something simpler.
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