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Re: The PyCon Incident

#13

Post by jamesaguilar »

I think there are a few points to be made here:

    - First-offense phallus jokes should probably not be dismissable.
    - Phallus jokes should probably not be made in professional, public contexts.
    - It would be surprising if the guy was a valuable member of the team and fired on this basis alone.
    - Adria's reaction probably didn't follow any principle of measured escalation.
I take issue with folks who say "it's a harmless joke!" But I'd also take issue with someone saying the dev who got fired earned what he got.

Re: The PyCon Incident

#15

Post by Semaphor »

> the "forking" reference turned out to be a fabrication.

> She never exchanged a word with the men.

Anyone got a source for those claims? I thought her actions were undefendable the way she described them, but this would make it a whole different beast. And thanks to a lack of sources at the pastebin I don't know if that's true or made up (and I hadn't seen those mentioned anywhere so far).

Re: The PyCon Incident

#16

Post by ajross »

blhack wrote: post #7

I would also like a response from Sendgrid here. Somebody they sent to a conference, who was representing their company there, went on a personal vendetta against somebody and got them fired. That's awful, and I join the people I see online right now in saying that I cannot, in good conscience, ever do business with a company that supports that behavior. --And to how far Adria has set back womens' rights here-- The c…

Let's cool down a little here. An irresponsible tweet doesn't really constitute a "personal vendetta" (it's not even personal -- as far as I can tell she never knew their names). And while the post was (apparently, I don't know what the evidence here is) the proximate cause, you really can't say that she "got [him] fired", as she wasn't the employer nor did she advocate for his termination.

It's just a bad situation all around. Yes, people shouldn't be fired for bad jokes. Neither should they be pilloried by the community for losing their cool and tweeting about it.

Re: The PyCon Incident

#17

Post by sergiotapia »

I already sent SendGrid's sales department an email that I will boycott their company and recommend others do so as well moving forward.

Where I work we were considering between SendGrid or Mandrill and this incident practically made our choice for us. We cannot and _will not_ support a company that backs[1] a person like this.

[1] - https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/314452708549603328

Re: The PyCon Incident

#18

Post by dmishe »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #13

I think there are a few points to be made here: - First-offense phallus jokes should probably not be dismissable. - Phallus jokes should probably not be made in professional, public contexts. - It would be surprising if the guy was a valuable member of the team and fired on this basis alone. - Adria's reaction probably didn't follow any principle of measured escalation. I take issue with folks who say "it's a harmles…

and there goes the freedom of speech

Re: The PyCon Incident

#20

Post by mnicole »

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #11

Added context: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out (twitter.com) [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391667

Note that this thread was Reddit-bombed, particularly by Men's Rights, so don't bother engaging with some of those commenters and take some of the upvotes/downvotes with a grain of salt. Meanwhile, my response to the victim, mr-hank (wherein he apologizes and sides with Adria as seen here lower in that thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681) was [Dead] as soon as I posted it (not sure why this happens).
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