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Re: Why I left news

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I studied print journalism and worked in the field for three years before stumbling into something different in 2006. Looking back, it was the perfect time to move on. But I also bought a house at that time, so it was clearly not due my keen sense of timing. I highly value my education and experience. Writing/reporting will never go away. HN is basically an all-text site. That content has to originate from somewhere. I have respect and admiration for those that write often and write well, particularly journalists. I wish that sentiment was more widespread. As is likely the case with many professions, I believe too many undervalue and minimize the skill and work involved in writing and reporting. A low barrier to access (blogs/Web sites) shouldn't correlate to a lower standard.

Re: Why I left news

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Newspapers always have been liberal places where people work hard for little pay, because they believe in the job.

I think this is a recent phenomenon. A friend who works in journalism said that the answer to "why do you want to be a journalist?" used to be "because I want to report the truth." At one point the answer changed to "because I want to change the world." The dividing point? Watergate.

Also, the attraction of journalism as a place for the kids of rich families eventually drove out everyone who used the job to support themselves.

Re: Why I left news

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Newspapers always have been liberal places where people work hard for little pay, because they believe in the job. I think this is a recent phenomenon. A friend who works in journalism said that the answer to "why do you want to be a journalist?" used to be "because I want to report the truth." At one point the answer changed to "because I want to change the world." The dividing point? Watergate. Also, the attraction…

>The dividing point? Watergate

Exactly. That's why what we got now is agenda instead of facts

Re: Why I left news

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I left the news business in 1983, from a major metropolitan daily. I was coming in at 1 pm, writing three business stories a day to a 6 pm deadline, then staying until 9 pm supervising the layout of the business pages. Honestly, many of the business stories were junk (how could they not be at little more than an hour apiece?). Typically one would be a rewrite of a wire story, one would be a rewrite of a corporate press release, and one would consist of calling the same stock market "experts" after the market closed for their pontifications on why the market moved the way it did that day: "Well, the market appears to be heading for a correction as buyers anticipate poor results in tomorrow's housing starts report..." I'd see almost the same words from the same guys on the wire and in the other major dailies. I'm sure they were making it all up on the spot.

I always had a couple side stories I was working on that would take a week or so, and now and then I'd go out to do a business profile, which tended to be something of an advertisement for the business in question. I'd interview the owner or president, look around the place, talk to a few employees. But at least it was something like journalism. But with the intense deadline pressure during my regular work day, I mainly did the work for these in the morning on my own time.

There were some fun times though. There was the night when our hometown team won the Superbowl, and all the reporters stayed late watching the results come in. That night I drove through streets packed with celebrating people to get photos taken by our man on the scene from the AP office across town. Election nights were great too, with free food in the conference room and the whole staff feverishly compiling results until the front page closed at midnight.

And there was a sense of power too. All I had to do was say "I'm a reporter for the XYZ Times," and the company president or the head staffer in the Congressman's office would be eager to talk to me.

Thirty years ago was supposed to be the glory days of print journalism, but already papers were closing and reporters losing their jobs. A running joke in the newsroom underscored our basic anxiety about the future: "What's a journalist? A reporter looking for work."

I lost my job after my mentor, the managing editor who shepherded me through the political minefield of the editorial staff, got sick and took a six-month leave of absence, leaving me at the mercy of the ambitious deputy managing editor.

One day the business editor, my immediate boss, called me into his office and told me I was being transferred to a sister publication of tiny circulation in another town, but that was actually a lie. The truth became apparent when I was called before the deputy managing editor. He actually ran the newspaper since the editor-in-chief was a figurehead hired for his name alone. The managing editor who had mentored me was long gone. "How does it feel to be fired?" were the first words he said. I gathered my stuff and walked out. I went back to school for a grad degree and never looked back.

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I left the news business about a year and a half ago. I had been an editor at a metro daily paper, and I survived several rounds of layoffs because my programming skills were so valuable, but even those of us whose jobs weren't cut in one round always wondered whether we would be next, and the unpaid quarterly furloughs were no fun, either. I loved journalism, and I continue to love journalism, so it was really diffi…

It seems that news as a business is moving away from journalism, and towards sensationalism. Being first becoming more important that being accurate. Getting the most eyes on your ads. I have a suspicion that what newspaper companies want is not what is taught in journalism school.

> I have a suspicion that what newspaper companies want is not what is taught in journalism school.

You are correct, but not in the way that you intend. Journalism schools are even slower moving than the news industry. There are pockets of the news world who realize they need data analysis skills and programming talent (at prices they can afford).

Journalism schools, by and large, have no idea what to do about this, even if they recognize the need, and few plans on how to bridge this gap.

The Knight Foundation & Mozilla are making an effort to recruit programmers to the news world through efforts like Source (http://source.mozillaopennews.org/en-US/ ) and the Knight-Mozilla OpenNews Fellowships (http://www.mozillaopennews.org/fellowships/ ).

(In fact I'm one of the earlier programmers insnared by their machinations, and i now work on DocumentCloud at the journalism non-profit Investigative Reporters & Editors)

Re: Why I left news

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What we need is not more journalists -- everybody and his brother is a journalist. What we need is more editors. And more demand for editors. Somebody to curate and brutally dissect content for others to consume. Somebody to tell authors "No. This is not good enough. Rewrite it." Newspapers and other MSM outlets are one of the last places this is happening. I don't think we'll miss newspapers when they finally disapp…

As someone who has worked as a writer and editor at a newspaper, I think you're undervaluing journalists (it's a high-skill, analytical job) and making a false distinction between editors and journalists (it's like "software architect" vs. "programmer" - same basic skills, more supervisory role). But that's not what I want to talk about. My actual point is that for better journalism to happen (what you call better ed…

There have been a number of efforts to innovate in the news industry, some which have met with some modicum of success, but no eventual impact.

YC has even funded a number of startups some of which have folded in spectacular style.

As for micropayments & kickstarter there is/was http://spot.us/ which was purchased by Minnesota Public Radio and has been neglected a bit.

Re: Why I left news

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has worked as a writer and editor at a newspaper, I think you're undervaluing journalists (it's a high-skill, analytical job) and making a false distinction between editors and journalists (it's like "software architect" vs. "programmer" - same basic skills, more supervisory role). But that's not what I want to talk about. My actual point is that for better journalism to happen (what you call better ed…

There have been a number of efforts to innovate in the news industry, some which have met with some modicum of success, but no eventual impact. YC has even funded a number of startups some of which have folded in spectacular style. As for micropayments & kickstarter there is/was http://spot.us/ which was purchased by Minnesota Public Radio and has been neglected a bit.

I checked that site, couldn't figure out its actual model in 30 seconds (or even where to go to figure it out), and I think that's a big problem. But it looks like they were going in what I think is a good direction.

Re: Why I left news

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Interesting. I had a friend who was a college reporter and broke some huge stories on our campus (women being raped, frat member having nervous breakdown, catching network hackers) and was stoked to work for a large daily when he graduated. This was back in the late 90's btw.

Just as the author pointed out, he loved his job at first, then it became demanding and he went through several rounds of burnout and then saw how the news cycle was changing and how politically slanted every story he had to write was.

He quit after 6 years and now just writes ad copy for a large marketing firm. He says its a lot less stressful and he also stopped reading the news since he "knows" how slanted and inaccurate the stores you read now are.

He still has some fascinating stories though. . .

Too bad this industry and good reporting died a long time ago.

Re: Why I left news

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I left the news business in 1983, from a major metropolitan daily. I was coming in at 1 pm, writing three business stories a day to a 6 pm deadline, then staying until 9 pm supervising the layout of the business pages. Honestly, many of the business stories were junk (how could they not be at little more than an hour apiece?). Typically one would be a rewrite of a wire story, one would be a rewrite of a corporate pre…

"How does it feel to be fired?"

Wow. I hope you said something along the lines of "Well, since it means I no longer have to work with assholes like you, it feels pretty fucking good."

Re: Why I left news

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I left the news business in 1983, from a major metropolitan daily. I was coming in at 1 pm, writing three business stories a day to a 6 pm deadline, then staying until 9 pm supervising the layout of the business pages. Honestly, many of the business stories were junk (how could they not be at little more than an hour apiece?). Typically one would be a rewrite of a wire story, one would be a rewrite of a corporate pre…

"How does it feel to be fired?" Wow. I hope you said something along the lines of "Well, since it means I no longer have to work with assholes like you, it feels pretty fucking good."

I was so shocked by the whole thing, I didn't think of anything clever to say until the next day, and then it was too late. He purged about five people altogether, all ones that had been supported by the former managing editor or had crossed him in some way. Some friends of mine said I should file a grievance, but after that experience I didn't really want to go back.

There had been rumors going around the newsroom that something was going to happen, and I knew I was not one of his favorites, so the day before it happened, I asked my boss, the business editor, if I was doing OK. He said I was doing fine. "I especially like the way you've taken over supervising the layout," he said. He was really embarrassed when he called me in the next day, and I think that's why he came up the the story that I was being transferred. I think it was wishful thinking on his part, or he had pushed for a transfer when they told him, and they said "maybe."

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