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Show HN: Webflow - Design responsive websites visually

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Re: Show HN: Webflow - Design responsive websites visually

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Post by marknutter »

webwielder wrote: post #39

This is really nice, but I just can't get too excited over web apps. Whether it's not having direct access to my source files, relying on the service to stay up (either from server or business issues), working when offline, not having access to OS-level services, the clunkiness and slowness compared to native, or the cognitive overhead of the app being inside another app, I think I'll always prefer desktop apps.

I don't understand how this comment is relevant to this post, and I'm a little sad it's currently the top comment in this thread.

Re: Show HN: Webflow - Design responsive websites visually

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Post by webwielder »

marknutter wrote: post #41
webwielder wrote: post #39

This is really nice, but I just can't get too excited over web apps. Whether it's not having direct access to my source files, relying on the service to stay up (either from server or business issues), working when offline, not having access to OS-level services, the clunkiness and slowness compared to native, or the cognitive overhead of the app being inside another app, I think I'll always prefer desktop apps.

I don't understand how this comment is relevant to this post, and I'm a little sad it's currently the top comment in this thread.

Don't be sad, it's only the top post because I just posted it. As for how it's relevant, I believe I'm saying in a roundabout way that I'd much prefer Webflow if it was a native app, while making a larger point about my reservations over web apps, especially the web design web apps I've been seeing a lot of lately.

Re: Show HN: Webflow - Design responsive websites visually

#44

Post by JPKab »

callmevlad wrote: post #3

Co-founder here. My brother and I quit our jobs 7 months ago, and have been working on this day and night off of our savings since then. The CSS Playground is a preview of our CSS styling tools, and we'll be adding some of our other components (layout, adding new elements, code export) soon. Currently, it only works in Chrome, but we're working hard to add Firefox support.

You beautiful bastards!! This is what I have been waiting for! Thanks!! Looking forward to using this when Saturday hits.

Re: Show HN: Webflow - Design responsive websites visually

#46

Post by callmevlad »

Kiro wrote: post #40

Do you mind telling us about the stack? It's a pretty impressive UI. Feels very native.

Sure! It's Node.js (pretty vanilla Express) on the backend, but most of the heavy lifting is in the browser. After trying Angular, Backbone and Ember, we settled on KnockoutJS for multiple reasons (that's a whole post in itself), the main one being performance (though some may find that statement shocking).

Re: Show HN: Webflow - Design responsive websites visually

#49

Post by artursapek »

webwielder wrote: post #39

This is really nice, but I just can't get too excited over web apps. Whether it's not having direct access to my source files, relying on the service to stay up (either from server or business issues), working when offline, not having access to OS-level services, the clunkiness and slowness compared to native, or the cognitive overhead of the app being inside another app, I think I'll always prefer desktop apps.

These limitations are all slowly disappearing as web standards are advancing fast to fill these gaps. I think soon we'll be able to give trusted web apps permission to read/write to our file systems and reach out to more OS-level interfaces that our browsers have access to.

Web apps also offer advantages over native apps, like zero installation, universal compatibility regardless of OS, and the ability for publishers to put updates/patches out instantly.

Re: Show HN: Webflow - Design responsive websites visually

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Post by webwielder »

artursapek wrote: post #49
webwielder wrote: post #39

This is really nice, but I just can't get too excited over web apps. Whether it's not having direct access to my source files, relying on the service to stay up (either from server or business issues), working when offline, not having access to OS-level services, the clunkiness and slowness compared to native, or the cognitive overhead of the app being inside another app, I think I'll always prefer desktop apps.

These limitations are all slowly disappearing as web standards are advancing fast to fill these gaps. I think soon we'll be able to give trusted web apps permission to read/write to our file systems and reach out to more OS-level interfaces that our browsers have access to. Web apps also offer advantages over native apps, like zero installation, universal compatibility regardless of OS, and the ability for publishers…

>universal compatibility regardless of OS

The browser becomes the OS for web apps, and in this case Webflow only supports one OS, Chrome.

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