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Diamonds Are Bullshit

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Re: Diamonds Are Bullshit

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Wanting the respect of others in your peer group is sad now?

Respect for something you are or something you do is not the same as respect for something you buy.

Not sure why you got downvoted.

There is an interesting couple of articles on the subject here:

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/what_would_you_do_if_...

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/what_would_you_do_if_...

Re: Diamonds Are Bullshit

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Maybe I'm spoiled as a nerdy (and interested in nerdy) gay guy, but I pity those in this thread saying that their fiancee wouldn't listen to reason about this. It slays me that "tradition" is so important to people that they will waste such vast amounts of money and prop up such a gross, violent industry in the face of reason.

What do gay people do (in general) for things like this? The most I've seen (with male-male couples) is gold wedding rings; I'm not sure about female couples.

Well they might opt for something simple and classy, or perhaps something a little more ostentatious depending on their personality. But one thing is for sure, gay people getting married have much bigger balls than all these heteroconformist "men" that would buy an expensive rock they don't even want for a woman they clearly pedestal.

Re: Diamonds Are Bullshit

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> women as a whole are swayed more by marketing then men are Either you provide a scientific cite for that claim or that is a straight up sexist statement. In case you haven't heard there's a lot of stupid irrational purchasing behavior by guys too.

I thought it was an interesting statement so I looked into it a little. I personally was less curious if there was a difference in the way men and women react to a constant advertisement, but I wanted to know the % of marketing dollars spent marketing towards women vs men. I did not find those exact numbers, but stumbled onto : http://www.she-conomy.com/facts-on-women There are a ton of crazy figures to digest on tha…

You would think so, but that's not the case. Advertising to men is more expensive than advertising to women, because more marketers are competing for those slots. I can't find any broad stats on this right now, but to use a random example, Cosmo and Maxim are both major magazines catering to otherwise similar demographics (age/income). Maxim claims 9mil readers while Cosmo claims 18mil. The cost for a four-color, full-page spread is ~230k for Maxim and ~289k for Cosmo. That's 62 readers for a dollar for Cosmo, or just 39 readers for a dollar for Maxim. [maximmediakit.com, cosmomediakit.com]

If you reread the page you posted, you can see the hints of that. People talking about how older women make up a demo that "no advertiser can afford to ignore" -- that's not something an advertiser would say unprompted about 18-35 year old males, for example, because the idea of advertisers ignoring 18-35 year old males would be absurd.

Re: Diamonds Are Bullshit

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Priceonomics can't seem to keep their blog up whenever they get a new update. Can someone post a cache?

Hey swang - this is the first time I've heard of this issue. Are you getting an error code from the blog? Let me know here or email me, omar@priceonomics.com.

Re: Diamonds Are Bullshit

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You have to find the right woman. A bit over 23 years ago I had a wedding which - including wedding bands - was under $200. I'm still married to her. We're both glad we didn't go into debt to get married...

Our wedding bands totalled $198. The deli platter took use over $200.

My sister bought the deli platter so I didn't count it.

With inflation it would be a bit more today.

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I still like to pretend... Good, at least you understand it is only an illusion ;)

I don't understand this bio-reductionist attitude. When was the last time your murdered someone with your bare hands at the supermarket?

It never explains everything, but it provides very important context to help understand what we do. Hopefully even you would agree that we are all influenced to some degree by "bio"; thus, understanding it provides context.

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> Do women still want a man who is financially secure? What about independent women? Most of my female friends are professionals (graduate degrees, well-paying jobs, etc). The vast majority of them (literally 90%+) want a man who is financially secure. Part of it is attraction, but it's also part pragmatic. Most women will have kids at some point in their lives (the %-age of women who remain childless by 45 is actual…

>>Part of it is attraction, but it's also part pragmatic. Understandable, Why.. Continue reading.. >>Women are still the ones that, disproportionately, compromise their careers to take care of children. Sorry. women 'want' to compromise their careers and take care of the kids. I'm not saying raising kids isn't tough. But most men I know will happily stay back at home and take care of the kids, if the their wives woul…

Yes, and given that women are more likely to pick raising kids, then it becomes important to partner with a man who makes good money. It seems like you agree with the person you're responding to.

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Respect for something you are or something you do is not the same as respect for something you buy.

Not sure why you got downvoted. There is an interesting couple of articles on the subject here: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/what_would_you_do_if_... http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/what_would_you_do_if_...

I'm not sure either. Weird.

I found it quite hard to extract anything from those articles. I think what it's trying to say is that if the ring becomes an issue then the relationship may be far from perfect anyway.

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I meant it as a personal attack for the reprehensible views he has expressed in this thread.

How are they reprehensible? What exactly makes them reprehensible? I don't recall him saying anything an adult internet user should find offensive. The man is expressing his opinion and if you're bothered by that, perhaps you should consider turning off your computer and not participating in internet discussions. There are plenty of places in this world where people won't offend your delicate sensibilities.

> expressing his opinion

He expressed his opinion that women are inscrutable and more susceptible to irrational impulses, but failed to provide any rational evidence of the same. This is sexist. The fact that it's "his opinion" and "his right to express it" buys him nothing in my book.

> consider turning off your computer

I'm fine where I am, thanks.

Re: Diamonds Are Bullshit

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Actually I consider diamonds to be a very valuable anti-indicator. If I meet a woman that insists on a diamond worth three months of my salary as a token of my commitment I eliminate her as a marriage prospect.

Wise move. I did the same and ended up with the love of my life who shares the same values that I possess. Social pressures will continue to push people towards things that aren't good for them. The ability to cast these aside when they don't really mean anything will serve you well for the rest of your life.

I think you can tell a lot about men's self image and conception of their own value as lovers by reading these comments.

Congratulations on your successful marriage with a woman you want to be with!

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