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> The tone of this topic is not in line with the civil level of discourse I'd like to maintain here, so I cannot respond. This sounds like the euphemistic version of "I don't like your attitude, so fuck off." Not exactly the answer I would want to get as a new user who is stumbling over terrible and inconsistent documentation and error messages.
In my personal opinion, I'd like to present a fair comparison with another similar framework called KnockoutJS. I challenge anyone on Hackernews to show me better documentation than this one: http://learn.knockoutjs.com Notice how things are explained so well as if they were explained to a child, this is how you should document, IMO. Also, RP Neimeyer, the creator (EDIT: Committer) of this framework, has dedicated a…
Compare that to http://docs.angularjs.org/api .
Real API documentation would do a lot to dispel the myth that KO is only for small to medium projects.
Moved to the correct thread per @kbenson's response
Defending another team member that you didn't think represented himself well should be secondary. He's a grown man, and can defend himself if needed (especially from the fallout of his own words). Addressing this first just gives me the impression that Ember is focusing on, and learning the wrong lesson, from this problem.
recently there were many articles on HN itself about how great ember is. if it's so great, why is it people get frustrated with the most simple tutorial?
Why was the response 'i refuse to respond' instead of 'this is a known issue, we're working on it as fast as we can'?
Trek is making a huge mistake IMHO. As a developer I can think of nothing more helpful than to get a "steam-of-consciousness" excerpt from our users. This is something no analytics package can tell you, if you want to make your "product" easy to use then this is the exact feedback you need. Delverworld was outlining the various pitfalls of getting started with ember.js and a core contributor shrugs it off because he…
I have admitted that, publicly, very often, in other topics on discuss.emberjs.com, on websites, on twitter, on videos, and elsewhere. It's no secret I'd like to improve the documentation for Ember.js and I'm already well aware of the places that people are facing difficulty right now. There's work, if people spent a moment reading the top topics in the forum, on a getting started guide with a direct call for feedbac…
Trek is making a huge mistake IMHO. As a developer I can think of nothing more helpful than to get a "steam-of-consciousness" excerpt from our users. This is something no analytics package can tell you, if you want to make your "product" easy to use then this is the exact feedback you need. Delverworld was outlining the various pitfalls of getting started with ember.js and a core contributor shrugs it off because he…
I have admitted that, publicly, very often, in other topics on discuss.emberjs.com, on websites, on twitter, on videos, and elsewhere. It's no secret I'd like to improve the documentation for Ember.js and I'm already well aware of the places that people are facing difficulty right now. There's work, if people spent a moment reading the top topics in the forum, on a getting started guide with a direct call for feedbac…
You are of course free to set your own standards in your own community, however I think it would serve you well to recognize that the implied standards you are setting are extremely, extremely high. In my opinion they are so high that they are counter productive, and I posit that the fact that this article is now at the top of hacker news suggests that many people agree with me on this point.
Trek is making a huge mistake IMHO. As a developer I can think of nothing more helpful than to get a "steam-of-consciousness" excerpt from our users. This is something no analytics package can tell you, if you want to make your "product" easy to use then this is the exact feedback you need. Delverworld was outlining the various pitfalls of getting started with ember.js and a core contributor shrugs it off because he…
It's not the first time. I've been in their IRC. They are friendly and helpful. Especially Yehuda, but there seems to be this idea that if you "don't" get it, you might just be stupid... http://twitter.com/trek/status/302811479135092736 I got this tweet and I constantly look at it before deciding against giving Ember another try. So far I'v done Backbone, Angular and Batman and I've had no problems with either of the…
Wow, could that response be any more passive aggressive?
Moved to the correct thread per @kbenson's response
You responded in the wrong order. The important point is that Ember is trying to improve, and values the feedback, right? Defending another team member that you didn't think represented himself well should be secondary. He's a grown man, and can defend himself if needed (especially from the fallout of his own words). Addressing this first just gives me the impression that Ember is focusing on, and learning the wrong…