The all caps headline is a little too much for my taste.
I suspect he just copied and pasted the text from the homepage.
"Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't
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Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't
#22The all caps headline is a little too much for my taste.
... says the one with the all caps user name.
It's not quite the same, I know. I saw your comment and had to respond.
Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't
#23Agree with this - I was planning to use Ember on a new project but quickly fell through holes in the documentation and had to give up and return to plain Backbone.
Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't
#24Well the "it's easy" is the selling point, no? I suppose the "ease" of using it depends on one's aptitude. 8-)
Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't
#25As an addendum, I tried Ember out and found it to be fairly easy. Is it plug and play, so to speak? No. Will it work in about 5 minutes, assuming you're well-versed in client- and server-side Javascript? It should.
"Easy" in this case means for the intended audience. Turning on a computer is "easy," but not if you tasked someone who'd just traveled from 1800 to do it.
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#26Well, programming is not always easy. I felt that kind of frustation when I tried for the first time almost every library/programming language that I'd worked with, either with java, backbone, coldfusion, rails... Trying and researching things is always part of the process, we can't run away from that.
Trying and researching things is always part of the process, we can't run away from that.
You're right: there will always be a learning curve, whatever is being learnt.
I think the problem with Ember is that it makes the opposite claims, and fails to deliver, only because the documentation is lacking.
Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't
#27Trek is making a huge mistake IMHO.
As a developer I can think of nothing more helpful than to get a "steam-of-consciousness" excerpt from our users. This is something no analytics package can tell you, if you want to make your "product" easy to use then this is the exact feedback you need. Delverworld was outlining the various pitfalls of getting started with ember.js and a core contributor shrugs it off because he didn't like the guys attitude?
No one likes having their shortcomings pointed out but it would have made much more sense for Trek to admit that getting started could be made easier and that the Ember.js team would look into ways to make it easier. Ignoring the issue like he is "above it" is pretty fucking pretentious if you ask me.
Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't
#28Well, programming is not always easy. I felt that kind of frustation when I tried for the first time almost every library/programming language that I'd worked with, either with java, backbone, coldfusion, rails... Trying and researching things is always part of the process, we can't run away from that.
Just because it's always been that way doesn't mean it has to be. If I'm running Ember, today I'm seeing this post and my takeaway is "we need to create a fool-proof quickstart hello world tutorial and make it readily visible to first-timers ASAP", not "this guy is a dick, let's ignore him".
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#29This is pretty much why I didn't end up using Ember in a new project. After getting the same errors and figuring out the same solutions, I figured I had better things to do with my time. It's a real shame, but just like developing web apps, you need to make sure users have a good first experience, otherwise they'll run away.
Did you find a suitable alternative to Ember?
Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't
#30Hmm. I wonder what this emberjs is? I'll just click the home page link and find out. Oh. That just gives me the discussion board, which i'm already on. A bit more looking, a bit more hovering, and.... there isn't one. Close tab.