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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by sha90 »

colabug wrote: post #87
zellyman wrote: post #84

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So someone making a joke about sex is exclusionary to you? Why so sex negative?

I'm sorry, but this makes no sense.

Here let me help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_movement -- "sex-positive" is a term describing a movement meant to embrace rather than repress sexuality. The play on words of "sex-negative" refers to the opposite of sex-positive, ie., sexual repression.

OP is saying that you are sexually repressed because sex jokes make you uncomfortable. This is a good point, because dongle jokes are actually not "sexist", they are simply sexual. Men hold no exclusive territory over dick jokes, or sex jokes in general. Women can tell dick jokes too. They can also joke about vaginas (Sarah Silverman much?) and both genders can appreciate the humour EQUALLY (yay equality!). Those who don't find it funny are NOT victims of sexism-- they are victims of a shitty sense of humour.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by asdfs »

taligent wrote: post #177
JoCoLa wrote: post #78

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This is hypersensitive, passive aggressive, and paints women as fragile and in need of rescuing from every perceived slight. Stop apologizing.

No. It is unprofessional and unbecoming at an outside of work event. You don't think he would have been fired for a black or Nazi joke ?

I'm not sure that those jokes are comparable. There's no negative stereotype in a penis size joke.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by jodrellblank »

johngalt wrote: post #147
_5gtv wrote: post #139

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I made the same point last night... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398602 I doubt there would have been a response.

My question was posed more to highlight that we only see men as aggressors and women only as victims. If the situation was reversed there would be outrage at the man . It's frustrating to see people justify that context though. I.E.'of course it's different coming from a man ' Why? Do we really expect the most equal minded generation of men in history to take the blame for every other generation who wasn't?

Do we really expect the most equal minded generation of men in history to take the blame for every other generation who wasn't?

What blame is there on a whole generation? These people attended PyCon, they broke the PyCon code of conduct which exists to make the conference a pleasant place for everyone, in doing so they made someone uncomfortable, they were called out on it, and the PyCon organizers asked them to leave.

Which bit of this is blaming every man for the actions of previous men? Which bit of this is unfair against men as a group? Which bit of this changes because other nonpresent men are more 'equal minded' than their parents?

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by D_Alex »

adriarichards wrote: post #27
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Hey, Thanks for speaking up, contributing your viewpoint on HN and not attacking me. I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively. For context, I'm a developer evangelist. That means I'm an advocate for developers, male and female. While I hear abou demanding bosses with impossible deadlines for product launch…

I am curious why this comment has no downvote arrow.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by drridta »

jodrellblank wrote: post #172
drridta wrote: post #161

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If I would be Mr Hank I would go and sue Adria as she took a photo of him and distributed it without his consent. This is a serious privacy issue. I would like to read her post after she gets fired in a similar way because of a photo. I'm sure she would feel the pain.

And you would lose. > In the United States [..] consent is not as a rule required to photograph people in public places and publish those photos. Hence, unless there are specific local laws to the contrary, overriding legal concerns (e.g., defamation) or moral concerns (e.g., picture unfairly obtained) [..] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_ide...

Hmm, I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by [deleted] »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #57
Xylakant wrote: post #44

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The problem I see here is that you snapped a picture and posted it in public - being prosecutor, judge, jury and executor in one person. That's not how things should work out. There's two sides of the story and I think it would have been better if a neutral party heard both sides instead of public summary execution. The guys conduct may not have been appropriate, but IMHO yours was not as well. Had you done all of th…

Sorry but the company were judge, jury and executor, not her. If you report a crime to the police and as a result the person gets sent to prison did you send them to prison? Of course not. She reported something that happened (which the person in question doesn't deny) - that's a reasonable thing to do. The neutral party you ask for should then be the employer who can listen to both sides of the story and work out th…

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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by xerodark »

mr-hank wrote: post #142
xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: post #108

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A petition to Play Haven to give Alex his job back: www.thepetitionsite.com/374/323/889/give-alex-reid-his-job-back/

Its worth noting I'm not Alex. He was not involved and still employed.

would love to get your side of the story and post it on our site for men around the world to read. can we arrange an interview with you?

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by stock_toaster »

jodrellblank wrote: post #172
drridta wrote: post #161

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If I would be Mr Hank I would go and sue Adria as she took a photo of him and distributed it without his consent. This is a serious privacy issue. I would like to read her post after she gets fired in a similar way because of a photo. I'm sure she would feel the pain.

And you would lose. > In the United States [..] consent is not as a rule required to photograph people in public places and publish those photos. Hence, unless there are specific local laws to the contrary, overriding legal concerns (e.g., defamation) or moral concerns (e.g., picture unfairly obtained) [..] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_ide...

possibly liable for slander though, if she is claiming things said that were not said, wbich resulted in firing

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by Argorak »

gngeal wrote: post #114
Argorak wrote: post #51

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Actually, brit ruby was initially called out for calling themselves a "diverse conference", which was a very valid point: they had nothing to back that up. The resulting shitstorm was inappropriate, though, and I am very sad that it got cancelled.

"they had nothing to back that up." You mean that they received an insufficiently broad (or overlapping) range of presentation submissions?

They didn't have a CFP when that happened. All invited speakers.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by username_6916 »

ihateloggingin wrote: post #179
truthbetold wrote: post #166

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You need to take legal action. You made a joke which hurt someone's feelings. They turned around and made a post which is causing you harm.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that being fired without cause is somehow illegal in the USA. In 49/50 states, it isn't. So there is no leg to stand on. Unless he was employed in Montana.

California Legal Code 96(k) states that: The Labor Commissioner and his or her deputies and representatives authorized by him or her in writing shall, upon the filing of a claim therefor by an employee, or an employee representative authorized in writing by an employee, with the Labor Commissioner, take assignments of: ... (k) Claims for loss of wages as the result of demotion, suspension, or discharge from employment for lawful conduct occurring during nonworking hours away from the employer's premises.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=lab&#3...

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