Two men were victimized. Full stop. This doesn't help end victimization of women. This is insane because it's so self defeating. All this does is give ammo to the people who were against the changes being made this year.
Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#112Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…
>I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel.
Boldly speaking, you are a moron. She might feel offended, but i don't think she has any right to be upset.
https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425
>@skwashd you should put something in your pants next time...like a bunch of socks inside one...large...sock. TSA agent faint
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yea I am on accord with you on this. This is a case where she tried to make things better, but her slight immaturity made someone lose their job, and now kind of makes her look worse. cringe why do the people who think they are going to help us (women) the most, make us look the worst at times. I just feel both parties should have communicated to each other. She didn't need to make this about social media and a fight…
Yeah, this is passive aggressive stuff. The guy said you even smiled at him as you took the picture. I actually read more of Adria's site and I read http://butyoureagirl.com/13871/success-against-the-odds-fill... . "Because of my experiences growing up, I have triggers. This means that I’m always scanning for danger; for situations that seem like something from the past that could hurt me. When I recognize something…
"and would urge everyone to go a little easier on her."
She is aware of her behavior and that she overreacts, and also has to take responsibility when she chooses to be a public figure. She makes her choices very clear, and her actions have very real repercussions, just as her childhood experiences had repercussions on her.
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#114As a non-American who occasionally attends conferences in the States, this entire incident is rather frightening. I really could not imagine a similar reaction in Europe. It reminds me of the situation last year where a British ruby conference had to be abandoned after negative publicity resulting from tweets, made by non-attending Americans about the entirely white male lineup of speakers. I don't think this cultura…
Actually, brit ruby was initially called out for calling themselves a "diverse conference", which was a very valid point: they had nothing to back that up. The resulting shitstorm was inappropriate, though, and I am very sad that it got cancelled.
"they had nothing to back that up."
You mean that they received an insufficiently broad (or overlapping) range of presentation submissions?
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#115Its a tough call, but I will say that it is not clear who the bully is in this situation. If the comments were made directly at someone, I am sure all will agree that this is grounds for consequences. However is it really a "safe space" if people are shamed publicly for what someone finds offensive BEFORE the matter is brought up to STAFF? I mean the two dudes in the photo may have grounds to say that they are the on…
So at the same time she accuses them of making sexual jokes.
https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/313417655879102464
She is making her OWN sexual jokes, while STILL at PyCon. https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425
-coughhypocritecough-
Jokes are only okay when woman do them! Teehee~
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#116Time for the bigotry test: Lets reverse the genders. It's a woman making the sexualized comments to a friend, and a male attendee eavesdrops. Then he takes a picture her without her consent. Immediately posts said picture online. She loses her job. What would the response be?
You would be kicked from any sane conference for the picture taking alone. Thats a big no-no without explicit permission.
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#117Now here is someone who deserves to be banned: compare and contrast https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5402826
Yeah. They were sitting a few feet from me. I caught a whiff of the smoke and my first thought was "are you freaking kidding me?" I don't care what you do in your own home, but toking up in a crowded room at a tech conference is just jackassery.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't surprise me that you can't parse it.
Classy, first you imply that I don't like sex and now that I'm a moron. Boy am I glad that we don't work together. I like sex, I just happen to prefer my work/professional environments without sexual overtones.
Conferences are generally laid back environments. Of course sexist exclusionary shit that assumes conference goers are male is wrong, but making a totally non-sexist joke to your mate in a talk? Fuck that shit.
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#119Time for the bigotry test: Lets reverse the genders. It's a woman making the sexualized comments to a friend, and a male attendee eavesdrops. Then he takes a picture her without her consent. Immediately posts said picture online. She loses her job. What would the response be?
Reversing the genders doesn't really work because they come from an unequal footing in the first place. Of course, if you reversed all of history and they were female dominated events with a long history of intimidating an harassing males, perhaps the test would stand up.
That said, this woman's behaviour is a massive overreaction and exceptionally irresponsible, and has led to something horrible happening. If I were here I'd be doing everything I can to make it right.
Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
I still don't see how "large dongle" is sexist. I'm glad you take the time to re-educate those around you. It's probably the hardest thing to do, but ultimately the best way forward for everyone. Maybe I'm overly optimistic on the ability of education though. What I find really suspect is her feeling like and calling herself a hero. Her reference to herself as "Joan of Arc". Also going public immediately. I have been…
It creates a sexualized environment, here's a good article: http://geekfeminism.org/2012/10/01/when-sex-and-porn-are-on-... It's hard to understand the "hero" feeling unless you've been quiet and avoided speaking out on similar (and often bigger) events. It feels good to stand up for your fellow females and community, even if you get negative public attention for it. I think more things big and small should be addres…
Tits in slides make a sexist environments. Blonde jokes make sexist environments. Groping makes sexist environments. Light innuendo does not create sexist environments.
This woman publicly humiliated someone and lost them their job for doing absolutely nothing wrong. That is fucked up.