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Why I left Google (2012)

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Re: Why I left Google (2012)

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"Sharing is not broken" "Share this on Facebook, Twitter, Digg, Delicious, Reddit, LinkedIn, SlashDot, Myspace, Technorati, Friendfeed, Messenger, or Stumbleupon."

What is the juxtaposition of these two sentences supposed to convey?

They seem to be pretty consistent: "sharing is not broken - here are some the places that people are already sharing stuff without Google's involvement".

Re: Why I left Google (2012)

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The issues around "Why I left A_PUBLIC_COMPANY" are really important. The question go beyond Google(s), it forces us to think if there are alternatives to growing or being public without doing a deal with the "devil". I don't think so, the definition of a public company implies that. Can private companies with less capital win this game and stay relevant in the long term?

There are plenty of massive, dominant private companies. Koch, SC Johnson, the list goes on ... The nature of VC or anyone investing OPM requires a short horizon. When it's your own money you don't ever have to cash out.

Exactly.

I was reading about Ford Thunderbird recently - the car that "created the market niche", was a huge success, rose Ford brand to a new level etc., and oops, the project was closed by board and reopened only after huge fight by Henry Ford II.

Re: Why I left Google (2012)

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So he leaves Google because of steps they are taking to protect and enhance their revenue stream, and joins Microsoft? As a former Microsoftie, all I can say is that is like going from the kettle to the fire and doesn't make sense.

I've worked for neither company but my thought was the same as yours. Anyone who licenses software from Microsoft knows that lately their most important objective is increasing licensing revenues. Changing products to increase licensing or changing them to enhance a different revenue stream is six of one, half a dozen of the other for me.

After reading this (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jw_on_tech/archive/2012/05/25/google...) I think his preference is mostly cultural. I never worked at Google, but I was born, raised and work in tech in the Bay Area. Microsoft culture rubbed me the wrong way when I was there. It seemed more what I imagine to be an organized and orderly Northern European governance under the cloudy, rainy skies. California Bay Area culture is more sunny and free libertarian with a dash of anarchy thrown in. You may discount my general characterization, but these things matter and people definitely have a preference.

Re: Why I left Google (2012)

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Depends solely on the focus. If the focus is 'push limits of human knowledge', then Google is going to be fine. If the focus is 'Increase marketshare in industries [X] by [Y%]', then it is too short-sighted and sooner or later, will catch up.

More than 97% of Google's revenues have always come from advertising (give or take a few percentage points). This goes back to the pre-IPO days. It's all well and good to say that Google is about "pushing the limits of human knowledge," but when you're a public company with a responsibility to generate return on capital, you need to protect and grow the golden goose. Now, it's perfectly valid -- maybe even necessary…

Companies that focus on the thing that makes them money eventually start losing money. You have to focus on the next thing to make you money, not the current one. I'm willing to cut google some slack here though, with the self-driving cars and google glass. Innovation at google isn't dead, it's just not in web app form anymore.

Re: Why I left Google (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends solely on the focus. If the focus is 'push limits of human knowledge', then Google is going to be fine. If the focus is 'Increase marketshare in industries [X] by [Y%]', then it is too short-sighted and sooner or later, will catch up.

More than 97% of Google's revenues have always come from advertising (give or take a few percentage points). This goes back to the pre-IPO days. It's all well and good to say that Google is about "pushing the limits of human knowledge," but when you're a public company with a responsibility to generate return on capital, you need to protect and grow the golden goose. Now, it's perfectly valid -- maybe even necessary…

I disagree. I worked at Google for a year in 2010, around the time of the first reorgs around social. They were decimating teams like Calendar, Sites, and other products with millions of users that were stagnating, as far as they were concerned, and building a team 200-strong to take on "social" -- whatever that means. We joked that no one at Google knew what it meant. We felt Google was deeply clueless about the nature of social networking products. The restructuring was very top-down and heavy-handed, and it was apparently just the beginning.

In fact, if you're looking for hindsight vs reality, I don't think Google and Facebook really were competitors -- until Google decided to build a copy of Facebook's product. So what if both sites were monetized with ads, whoop-dee-doo. The overlap in their product functionality and expertise was basically zero. There's a very abstract connection that comes out of Google's central dogma: We are how people find things on the Internet. We are how they discover links. We're their homepage. What if Facebook takes all of that away? We have to eat their lunch.

Google acted out of some combination of fear, insecurity, and pressure from Wall Street, along with some grandiose thinking about their role in the universe and the threat of Facebook. I believe the changes inside Google are significant, and also not inevitable or "what anyone would have done at the time." We'll see how the effects play out.

Re: Why I left Google (2012)

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I lost all interest in reading the article after looking at the msdn.com domain. EDIT: Downvoters, I don't see how this is wrong. Microsoft has a long history of spreading FUD about competitors (Florian Mueller/FOSSPatents, http://www.scroogled.com/ [when their own practices are very much the same], sponsoring fake studies that show that the TCO of Linux is much greater than that of Windows, and so on.) I certainly w…

Scroogled isn't FUD. It might be (well, certainly is) tasteless negative marketing, but factually it's dead-on. Just like this particular post, which regardless of the author's ulterior motives is factually accurate.

Guess what? Microsoft isn't being upfront about the costs of maintaining and providing a high quality email service. The bills have to be paid somehow, and that's why Google's ads are targeted using email keywords. Microsoft, on the other hand is using free Outlook accounts as a loss leader, and I can assure you with a great degree of certainty that they would do the same if they had as much of the market as Google does.
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