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Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

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Post by dh83 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #59

Is this news? Just asking because I have had Pharo 2.0 installed for many months, but it was probably a beta - it would be good to have dates on download files and bundles. I ask because I tried running "System update" and that errored off. If I am using an old version of "2" then I will go to the trouble of re-installing and reloading my little project.

Unless you regularly updated and worked on the latest 2.0 beta this is news ;). You have a complete list of images here http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/image/20/ including release dates.

During the beta update process it might happen that one or another update fails. Usually that should not happen though.

Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

#62

Post by igouy »

dh83 wrote: post #54
igouy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I appreciate that your comments are intended to promote Pharo, you seem to be saying that other Smalltalk implementations don't provide support for command-line applications, C FFI, a fast JIT, usable for real applications. That doesn't seem right to me.

Pharo has quite a decent set of command-line tools at hand for a Smalltalk (see also http://pharobooks.gforge.inria.fr/PharoByExampleTwo-Eng/late... ). As for FFI we're about to fully integrate NativeBoost into the system which already provides decent FFI interaction on all X86 platforms: https://code.google.com/p/nativeboost/ . The VM we use features a JIT, albeit not highly elaborate, it gives decent speedups. Besi…

Wonderful!

(I didn't ask about Pharo, I complained about promoting Pharo by dissing other Smalltalk implementations.)

Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

#63

Post by mark_l_watson »

dh83 wrote: post #61
mark_l_watson wrote: post #59

Is this news? Just asking because I have had Pharo 2.0 installed for many months, but it was probably a beta - it would be good to have dates on download files and bundles. I ask because I tried running "System update" and that errored off. If I am using an old version of "2" then I will go to the trouble of re-installing and reloading my little project.

Unless you regularly updated and worked on the latest 2.0 beta this is news ;). You have a complete list of images here http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/image/20/ including release dates. During the beta update process it might happen that one or another update fails. Usually that should not happen though.

I did system updates, eventually got (mostly)everything loaded (after a few re-trys), but then the image wouldn't save.

So: it only took me a minute or two to fileOut my application packages and reload them and data into a new image. I should have done this in he first place :-(

Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

#64

Post by dh83 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #63
dh83 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you regularly updated and worked on the latest 2.0 beta this is news ;). You have a complete list of images here http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/ci/image/20/ including release dates. During the beta update process it might happen that one or another update fails. Usually that should not happen though.

I did system updates, eventually got (mostly)everything loaded (after a few re-trys), but then the image wouldn't save. So: it only took me a minute or two to fileOut my application packages and reload them and data into a new image. I should have done this in he first place :-(

or use http://smalltalkhub.com in the first place :)

Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

#65

Post by teapot7 »

sj4nz wrote: post #38

Someone needs to put what "Pharo" is on the front page of their web site somewhere else other than just the title element in the header which I ignore most of the time. Browser tabs are usually really narrow if you have 8-9 open. :) I had to come here to learn it was a Smalltalk environment.

So true - and sadly so common. If I had my way every website for a program/ide/library/plugin/whatever would clearly state on the front page just what the hell it is!

Glad to see Pharo making such excellent progress - they're doing wonderful work.

Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

#66

Post by sigzero »

worldhell129 wrote: post #49

I'm sorry, I've been turned off of pharo and smalltalk completely. Mostly due to the fact that I had it forced upon me for my Advanced Algorithms class. I don't like pharo, and I don't like smalltalk

Really now? You just wanted to spit your hated out? And this was constructive to the topic? Why not just, move along and not post?

Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

#67

Post by worldhell129 »

sigzero wrote: post #66
worldhell129 wrote: post #49

I'm sorry, I've been turned off of pharo and smalltalk completely. Mostly due to the fact that I had it forced upon me for my Advanced Algorithms class. I don't like pharo, and I don't like smalltalk

Really now? You just wanted to spit your hated out? And this was constructive to the topic? Why not just, move along and not post?

Yup, I just wanted to spit my hate out because of the countless number of hours I've wasted using pharo and smalltalk in general. The images feel extremely fragile, the whole environment feels slow. Just scrolling in pharo eats up my cpu. Smalltalk may be an okay language (but extremely terrible to have to be mandatory for an advanced algorithms class), but pharo in my opinion isn't very good and just plain annoying. Also, for the record I've used pharo for two courses and I hated both courses with a passion just because I had to use pharo.

Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

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Post by worldhell129 »

philippeback wrote: post #53
worldhell129 wrote: post #49

I'm sorry, I've been turned off of pharo and smalltalk completely. Mostly due to the fact that I had it forced upon me for my Advanced Algorithms class. I don't like pharo, and I don't like smalltalk

Your loss mate. That says more about the ability of your teacher or the fact that you have some kind of history of abuse by whoever than about the Pharo system. I guess if he would have used Lisp, you'd dislike Lisp, if it was C++, you'd hate C++. What are you using, out of curiosity?

C++ and java mostly.

Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

#69

Post by eruditely »

worldhell129 wrote: post #49

I'm sorry, I've been turned off of pharo and smalltalk completely. Mostly due to the fact that I had it forced upon me for my Advanced Algorithms class. I don't like pharo, and I don't like smalltalk

This says more about you than anything else.

Re: Pharo 2.0 Released

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Post by nextputall »

worldhell129 wrote: post #67
sigzero wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really now? You just wanted to spit your hated out? And this was constructive to the topic? Why not just, move along and not post?

Yup, I just wanted to spit my hate out because of the countless number of hours I've wasted using pharo and smalltalk in general. The images feel extremely fragile, the whole environment feels slow. Just scrolling in pharo eats up my cpu. Smalltalk may be an okay language (but extremely terrible to have to be mandatory for an advanced algorithms class), but pharo in my opinion isn't very good and just plain annoying.…

Have you ever used eclipse or netbeans? Those feels an order of magnitude slower than pharo. I consider pharo a small and fast environment compared to other "IDEs".
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