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Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by rwmj »

maeon3 wrote: post #13

When everyone is a criminal all the time, with selective enforcement, it makes it easier to tax and control. When political winds shift, you can eliminate anybody you want, because you just make an excel spreadsheet of political enemies and then forward it by email to law enforcement for increased survallence, and whamo, felony convictions, how much you want? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? The government is just trying t…

I guess you must live in China. Here where I live, the government is made up of ordinary people who are also subject to the law, and we can vote to change the law whenever and however we want.

Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by flexie »

maeon3 wrote: post #13

When everyone is a criminal all the time, with selective enforcement, it makes it easier to tax and control. When political winds shift, you can eliminate anybody you want, because you just make an excel spreadsheet of political enemies and then forward it by email to law enforcement for increased survallence, and whamo, felony convictions, how much you want? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? The government is just trying t…

And if you count everyone who has committed a misdemeanor or felony as a criminal, then everyone is a criminal.

The amount of felonies and misdemeanors is overwhelming, as is often the severity of the punishments.

Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by yardie »

edem wrote: post #20
objclxt wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly, the laws around this sort of thing are very stupid. But with that said...I'm not wholly sympathetic here. The disclosure was totally botched . The IRC logs that came out during the case showed that Andrew and Dan (Spitler) talked about shorting AT&T stock (they ended up not doing this, but it's not the sort of thing you talk about), and going directly to news organisations, bypassing AT&T. They also consider…

I totally agree with you. They don't hand out 10 years for nothing. It is a little harsh though.

They don't hand out 10 years for nothing.

LOL. If you mean literally nothing than no. But the war on poverty, war on drugs, and 3-strikes means the US justice system is handing out long sentences for black and hispanic males 3x the rate of white criminals.

Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by rytis »

rwmj wrote: post #21
maeon3 wrote: post #13

When everyone is a criminal all the time, with selective enforcement, it makes it easier to tax and control. When political winds shift, you can eliminate anybody you want, because you just make an excel spreadsheet of political enemies and then forward it by email to law enforcement for increased survallence, and whamo, felony convictions, how much you want? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? The government is just trying t…

I guess you must live in China. Here where I live, the government is made up of ordinary people who are also subject to the law, and we can vote to change the law whenever and however we want.

Just out of curiosity, where do you live?

Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by objclxt »

sp332 wrote: post #15
Volpe wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't he try to extort money out of them after spidering all the information?

He talked about it, but I don't think that actually happened. The chat log was used against him at the trial anyway.

He was charged with conspiracy, so it's relevant that it was discussed. Conspiracy usually requires discussion of the intended crime, and then at least one party to commit an act that furthers that crime. It doesn't actually require the crime itself to be committed.

Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by maeon3 »

rwmj wrote: post #21
maeon3 wrote: post #13

When everyone is a criminal all the time, with selective enforcement, it makes it easier to tax and control. When political winds shift, you can eliminate anybody you want, because you just make an excel spreadsheet of political enemies and then forward it by email to law enforcement for increased survallence, and whamo, felony convictions, how much you want? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? The government is just trying t…

I guess you must live in China. Here where I live, the government is made up of ordinary people who are also subject to the law, and we can vote to change the law whenever and however we want.

I wasn't saying certain people should not be held accountable to certain laws I'm just pointing out the major theme of the phenomenon taking place here. As programmers we are a tremendous emerging power and it feels like programmers are being discriminated against from the U.S. much more so than say an Exec at AIG. Perhaps the programmer should be prosecuted, to uphold justice, to make an example to all programmers that you better watch-out before you go making a copy of some document you find laying on the ground while taking a walk in the park. Don't copy that floppy, you could go to jail for 10 years.

Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by jeza »

DoubleMalt wrote: post #3

Every piece I read about him made me like him less. But despite my deep feelings of antipathy the charges that are brought against him can NEVER warrant 10 years of prison. That's ridiculous.

He doesn't come across as the smartest cookie by any means (making non-strategic comments to the media), though that shouldn't deprive anyone of fair justice.

Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by rdl »

This sucks. weev is an asshole and troll, but he's also a friend, and he hasn't done anything a lot of other people don't do routinely. I hope he gets a suspended sentence, but I think the 50/50 is he'll get ~3 years in total, served at least 1.5y in a federal prison.

Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by beedogs »

rwmj wrote: post #21
maeon3 wrote: post #13

When everyone is a criminal all the time, with selective enforcement, it makes it easier to tax and control. When political winds shift, you can eliminate anybody you want, because you just make an excel spreadsheet of political enemies and then forward it by email to law enforcement for increased survallence, and whamo, felony convictions, how much you want? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? The government is just trying t…

I guess you must live in China. Here where I live, the government is made up of ordinary people who are also subject to the law, and we can vote to change the law whenever and however we want.

What magical mythical land is this?

Re: Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer Faces Jail

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Post by davidw »

maeon3 wrote: post #26
rwmj wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you must live in China. Here where I live, the government is made up of ordinary people who are also subject to the law, and we can vote to change the law whenever and however we want.

I wasn't saying certain people should not be held accountable to certain laws I'm just pointing out the major theme of the phenomenon taking place here. As programmers we are a tremendous emerging power and it feels like programmers are being discriminated against from the U.S. much more so than say an Exec at AIG. Perhaps the programmer should be prosecuted, to uphold justice, to make an example to all programmers t…

What the fuck is "the established ruling system" besides a representative democracy, if we're talking about the US, at least?

Sounds like one of those trite propaganda-esque phrases that don't really mean anything.

Government in the US is far from perfect, but it's not some big conspiracy theory either.

If you want to see a real rebellion, look at Syria. It's people shooting each other with guns to take and hold territory, not some dipshit who finds an inept megacorp's trowsers down and grabs the data he finds and then crows about it.

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