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Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by milkshakes »

8ig8 wrote: post #11
milkshakes wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why are you surprised by this? we don't all have $70 lying around

I'm surprised because someone who has committed this much time to developing an extension is arguably beyond the evaluation phase. > Sublime Text 2 may be downloaded and evaluated for free, however a license must be purchased for continued use.

perhaps. perhaps not. for all we know, writing this package may be the author's way of evaluating the extensibility of the editor.

while we're at it, sublime text is far from the most popular python development tool. only the author knows which one was used. hell, they may even have paid for the one they used to develop this package.

why should a purchasing a license be a prerequisite to developing a sublime text package at all?

Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by milkshakes »

8ig8 wrote: post #18
woah wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By writing the extension this person has clearly added way more than 70 dollars of value to st

I don't disagree with you, but that's not really the terms of the license.

Which specific terms of the license[1] lead you to conclude that the author has an obligation to pay $70?

[1] LICENSES

SUBLIME TEXT is licensed as follows:

Installation and Usage.

Licenses are per user and valid for use on all supported operating systems. License keys may be used on multiple computers and operating systems, provided the license key holder is the primary user. Businesses must purchase at least as many licenses as the number of people using SUBLIME TEXT. Backup Copies.

You may make copies of the license key and or SUBLIME TEXT for backup and archival purposes.

DESCRIPTION OF OTHER RIGHTS AND LIMITATIONS

Maintenance of Copyright Notices.

You must not remove or alter any copyright notices on any copy of SUBLIME TEXT.

Distribution.

You may not distribute or sell license keys or SUBLIME TEXT to third parties. Licenses will be revoked if distributed or sold to third parties.

Rental.

You may not rent, lease, or lend the license key or SUBLIME TEXT.

Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by shurcooL »

eogas wrote: post #3

This is pretty damn cool, but I can't help but notice that the UI seems to be severely limited by Sublime's API.

This is why I tried creating my own simple "text editor" within my experimenta live IDE, so that I would not be limited by anyone's API or closed source and could create something more unusual.

Is it a better approach? It's really hard to say, and definitely not obvious. I had to re-create a lot of existing functionality just so that I could more easily modify it. And clearly I cannot compete with the advanced functionality of a dedicated modern text editor.

So far it hasn't led to me anything beyond what one could've probably achieved by hooking things up to an existing API, as demonstrated by this project (perhaps aside from live editing on a type-a-character level rather than on-save level), but I'm keeping my eyes open. Perhaps I'll get lucky and come up with something that wouldn't have been possible otherwise. That was my motivation.

Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by melling »

milkshakes wrote: post #7
8ig8 wrote: post #6

Not to take away from the package, but I'm somewhat surprised that someone who invested significant work into this is running an unregistered version of ST.

why are you surprised by this? we don't all have $70 lying around

$70 isn't a lot of money. Is it an hour of your time? Maybe two? If people don't want to pay that's fine, use one of the great open source editors. Saying you don't have the money doesn't make it ok to violate the license. rms works hard to give you emacs for free. The Sublime guys are trying to earn a living.

Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by 8ig8 »

milkshakes wrote: post #22
8ig8 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with you, but that's not really the terms of the license.

Which specific terms of the license[1] lead you to conclude that the author has an obligation to pay $70? [1] LICENSES SUBLIME TEXT is licensed as follows: Installation and Usage. Licenses are per user and valid for use on all supported operating systems. License keys may be used on multiple computers and operating systems, provided the license key holder is the primary user. Businesses must purchase at least as many…

None.

Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by milkshakes »

8ig8 wrote: post #25
milkshakes wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which specific terms of the license[1] lead you to conclude that the author has an obligation to pay $70? [1] LICENSES SUBLIME TEXT is licensed as follows: Installation and Usage. Licenses are per user and valid for use on all supported operating systems. License keys may be used on multiple computers and operating systems, provided the license key holder is the primary user. Businesses must purchase at least as many…

None.

So, can we agree that it is unreasonable to assume that developing and open sourcing a Package Addon for a popular ShareWare tool should obligate an an author to purchase a license for the software his work is targeting?

Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by herosss »

milkshakes wrote: post #26
8ig8 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None.

So, can we agree that it is unreasonable to assume that developing and open sourcing a Package Addon for a popular ShareWare tool should obligate an an author to purchase a license for the software his work is targeting ?

?

Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by zevyoura »

shurcooL wrote: post #23
eogas wrote: post #3

This is pretty damn cool, but I can't help but notice that the UI seems to be severely limited by Sublime's API.

This is why I tried creating my own simple "text editor" within my experimenta live IDE, so that I would not be limited by anyone's API or closed source and could create something more unusual. Is it a better approach? It's really hard to say, and definitely not obvious. I had to re-create a lot of existing functionality just so that I could more easily modify it. And clearly I cannot compete with the advanced functi…

Have you thought of building on top of a library like CodeMirror (which Light Table is built on)?'

edit: ST2 -> Light Table

Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by milkshakes »

melling wrote: post #24
milkshakes wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why are you surprised by this? we don't all have $70 lying around

$70 isn't a lot of money. Is it an hour of your time? Maybe two? If people don't want to pay that's fine, use one of the great open source editors. Saying you don't have the money doesn't make it ok to violate the license. rms works hard to give you emacs for free. The Sublime guys are trying to earn a living.

For the record, I not only paid my $70, but I lost political capital with my manager for forcing her to purchase seats for all the other engineers on our team who saw how much happier I was because of it. I do not advocate abusing the considerable latitude that Jon Skinner has gifted us. But I do believe that he meant to be as generous as possible with the plausible ambiguity of the word "evaluation" as he uses in his license terms. the response to the FAQ seems to confirm that.

Re: Sublime Text 2 Web Inspector

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Post by TkTech »

zevyoura wrote: post #28
shurcooL wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I tried creating my own simple "text editor" within my experimenta live IDE, so that I would not be limited by anyone's API or closed source and could create something more unusual. Is it a better approach? It's really hard to say, and definitely not obvious. I had to re-create a lot of existing functionality just so that I could more easily modify it. And clearly I cannot compete with the advanced functi…

Have you thought of building on top of a library like CodeMirror (which Light Table is built on)?' edit: ST2 -> Light Table

Where on earth did you read that ST2 is build on CodeMirror?
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