What do grad students in math do all day?
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Re: What do grad students in math do all day?
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
At my university, the administration is really pushing to have business undergrads active in research - I don't think most of them have the patience to contribute. Makes me really wish they would read articles like this
I admit that I have little knowledge of how many fields work and probably know the least about academia but I still have to ask (or maybe that's why I have to ask) what research does a business undergrad participate in?
For example, make a game where two people are teamed up. You give person A $10 and tell them they can give as much as they want to person B, and that's it. How much does person A share? Ok, now what if you give instructions explaining to person A that person B leaves empty handed if they don't share? What if you say that they're supposed to share 50%? What if 10% of whatever is given to person B is lost as a "tax"? The idea is to figure out ways to get people to act honestly and fairly in the hopes that it can be applied to business.
Undergrads could help find test subjects. They could help design the tests (they generally involve simple software that administers the games). Some could probably analyze the results in the hopes of finding interesting and unexpected takeaways.
Re: What do grad students in math do all day?
#23Imagine that all of mathematics is represented as a solid sphere (ball). At the core (origin) of this sphere are the most basic concepts in math, that we all learn in elementary and high school. On top of the core are many layers of knowledge that are all interconnected, but lead in different directions from the origin. These layers have names like algebra, calculus, and geometry. On top of those are other layers with names like topology, set theory, number theory, analysis, etc. These layers continue, like an onion, all the way to the surface of the sphere.
All mathematics students begin at the core and climb outward, towards the surface of the sphere. They choose different directions and set out to learn and practice everything that they encounter on their paths through the sphere. Eventually, after many years of study, the students who survive finally reach some point on the outside surface of the sphere. Which exact point on the surface each student reaches depends on the direction that he chose at the start. Once the students reach the surface of the sphere, they have understood everything that is known to mankind about some specific series of subjects within their speciality. Standing on the surface of the sphere, they must then must work to add a new layer to the sphere, to add something new and original to human knowledge.
As time goes by, new theories are developed and added as new layers onto the sphere. In ancient times, a great mathematician could learn everything in the whole of the sphere within a single lifetime. The sphere has grown exponentially, however, and in modern times no one person could ever visit every place in the sphere within a single lifetime. The sphere has become so vast as to defy comprehension, as generation after generation has expanded it with new layers.
When the mathematics students were starting out in the core of the sphere, they were all in the same place. They could easily see and speak to one another. However, when they reach the surface of the sphere, it is as if they are scattered across different points of the surface of a huge planet. A student might be lucky to find himself at a popular spot on the surface, where there are perhaps a handful or even a few dozen other students who he can talk to. Another student, less fortunate, may find himself stranded in a deserted place where there is no one that can hear him and there is no one for him to speak to. The surface is a lonely place, where few souls are encountered and if you do encounter some wandering traveller then you are unlikely to speak to the same language and must communicate by crude gestures like waving of hands.
As more and more matter is added to sphere, the dwellers on its surface drift further and further apart, as the surface area expands. Furthermore, the surface of the sphere grows farther and farther way from the core of the sphere. It takes longer and longer for the students to reach the surface of the sphere, as there is more and more volume to traverse.
Re: What do grad students in math do all day?
#24I prefer the explanation that I developed back when I was a math student: Imagine that all of mathematics is represented as a solid sphere (ball). At the core (origin) of this sphere are the most basic concepts in math, that we all learn in elementary and high school. On top of the core are many layers of knowledge that are all interconnected, but lead in different directions from the origin. These layers have names…
If we didn't do this, research would inevitably stop, unless eternal life lies inside a 100 year radius of the sphere (and we can keep learning and getting smarter forever, which I doubt)
Re: What do grad students in math do all day?
#25Just to play the devil's advocate ... math has wonderful symbols and methods, but they don't really assist in comprehension unless everyone agrees on their meaning, and then only if everyone already understands the underlying concepts, the axioms. For example, starting in 1910, Bertrand Russell and Alfred North Whitehead published "Principia Mathematica" (a borrowed title):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica
But, notwithstanding their high intellectual level and the ambitions behind the project, and notwithstanding the system of symbols used, Russell and Whitehead missed a crucial, central point -- their plan to systematize mathematics, place it on a solid logical foundation, make it immune from uncertainty and doubt, was doomed from the start. Kurt Gödel demonstrated this a few years later:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6dels_incompleteness_theo...
So much for the power of symbols. The consequences of the Incompleteness theorems are often overstated, but they do falsify the idea that mathematics is logically consistent, or that a set of symbols, however clear and unambiguous, will prevent basic misunderstandings in even the most fertile minds.
Re: What do grad students in math do all day?
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I admit that I have little knowledge of how many fields work and probably know the least about academia but I still have to ask (or maybe that's why I have to ask) what research does a business undergrad participate in?
My dad is an accounting professor, and while I don't think he normally involves undergrads in his research, it seems like he could. This is just one small segment of business research, but he tests how rules and incentives impact decision making. For example, make a game where two people are teamed up. You give person A $10 and tell them they can give as much as they want to person B, and that's it. How much does per…
As an aside, I believe my first post and this one could sound like I'm trying to be a dick, I'm honestly not. I am wondering and interested. Business majors and related (like your accounting professor father) always seemed to me to be more practical degrees and not really research fields.
Re: What do grad students in math do all day?
#27Sounds like what math grad students did 50 years ago, before we solved all the pure math even tenuously related to the 4 dimensional reality we live in.
Also, saying that reality is 4-dimensional is hooding yourself. The machine learning techniques we use everywhere depend on the math of higher-dimensional spaces, and they wouldn't work if reality couldn't be meaningfully viewed as many-dimensional.
Re: What do grad students in math do all day?
#28I prefer the explanation that I developed back when I was a math student: Imagine that all of mathematics is represented as a solid sphere (ball). At the core (origin) of this sphere are the most basic concepts in math, that we all learn in elementary and high school. On top of the core are many layers of knowledge that are all interconnected, but lead in different directions from the origin. These layers have names…
(Which I now see have been posted in an earlier comment)
Re: What do grad students in math do all day?
#29I'm just finishing a math PhD. Talking to CS PhD's my impression is that we do pretty much the same thing, we just work on different domains.
Also, when people ask me, "So What do you actually do studying math?" I reply, "Sit and stare at the wall for several hours a day. Occasionally I write something down."