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Re: The Ugly American Programmer

#11
Open a 400 person coding shop in Ningbo and try to get everyone there to write in English, or even understand it. Good luck with that.

Working in markets with large numbers of non English speakers is quite difficult, as the article implies. Very profitable though. Chinese people like games as much as we do, and they will actually pay for them!!!

Re: The Ugly American Programmer

#12

The overwhelming majority of programming languages use English keywords Can anyone tell me any programming language which doesn't use english keywords!?! English is the common language of communication throughout the world, and consequentially the effect has percolated into the hacker world too I guess !

Well the relevant question is do people do serious coding in any non-english programming languages ?! That's why I was so surprised when I heard of them !

Re: The Ugly American Programmer

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post #11

Open a 400 person coding shop in Ningbo and try to get everyone there to write in English, or even understand it. Good luck with that. Working in markets with large numbers of non English speakers is quite difficult, as the article implies. Very profitable though. Chinese people like games as much as we do, and they will actually pay for them!!!

> Chinese people like games as much as we do, and they will actually pay for them!!!

Yes, the Chinese would never pirate software!

Re: The Ugly American Programmer

#14
post #5

The overwhelming majority of programming languages use English keywords Can anyone tell me any programming language which doesn't use english keywords!?! English is the common language of communication throughout the world, and consequentially the effect has percolated into the hacker world too I guess !

Can anyone tell me any programming language which doesn't use english keywords!?! APL?

There are lot of dialects of LOGO in other languages than English

Re: The Ugly American Programmer

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post #13
post #11

Open a 400 person coding shop in Ningbo and try to get everyone there to write in English, or even understand it. Good luck with that. Working in markets with large numbers of non English speakers is quite difficult, as the article implies. Very profitable though. Chinese people like games as much as we do, and they will actually pay for them!!!

> Chinese people like games as much as we do, and they will actually pay for them!!! Yes, the Chinese would never pirate software!

They pirate plenty of software, including games, but they pay big money for the virtual goods you sell inside the games!

Re: The Ugly American Programmer

#16
Eric Raymond: it was reported to me at the time that English has a richer technical vocabulary than any other language and is therefore simply a better tool for the job

Or probably English is simply the most easy to learn.

Re: The Ugly American Programmer

#17
post #8

Being Danish I can attest that this is very true - I write my code-comments in English, my business plans in Engish and do my financials in English. Even my blog is English. It just makes it easier to communicate, and I've never met a Dane that complained about it.

I almost feel like with the lesser spoken European languages that something akin to what's happened in India emerging:

There's one language for the home and the family and friends, and other that's used in formal, academic and business settings.

It wouldn't surprise me if soon even formal regional official documents can be handled in English to facilitate some the free flow of work in the EU.

Re: The Ugly American Programmer

#18
"Ideally we would all use Esperanto - that's the future! Ah well."

To disagree with this comment from Jeff's blog, see

http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/

English comes by its huge network advantages honestly. All four of my grandparents were born in the United States, but three were born in households in which a non-English languages was spoken, and two were educated entirely in another language (German). Everybody learned English, and that was no big deal. The majority of Americans have ancestors who didn't speak English before they arrived in America. English is by no means perfect, but it is pragmatic, as Jeff says.

Re: The Ugly American Programmer

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post #10

This really doesn't need discussion. English is simply the language for science and computer stuff, just as latin used to be in the past (not for the computer stuff, but for science).

And the Catholic church used Latin exclusively for centuries.

Re: The Ugly American Programmer

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post #9
post #8

Being Danish I can attest that this is very true - I write my code-comments in English, my business plans in Engish and do my financials in English. Even my blog is English. It just makes it easier to communicate, and I've never met a Dane that complained about it.

Same here. English is not my native language but I just do everything in English. Code, documentation, blogs, requirement docs, etc. Really, everything. Is this even remotely controversial these days?

I don't think so within the EU (perhaps in France ... chuckle), but I suspect it'd be more problematic in for instance Japan, Korea or China.
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