Twitter has disabled RSS this month too. Is RSS too open for the big players?
Less control of presentation == fewer ads.
Yes, I think this is exactly what all of this is about.
Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too
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#52I'm one tinfoil hat away from believing this isn't just about discontinuing unprofitable products, but a concerted effort to kill off support for open standards (RSS, CalDAV, what's next?) and turning the Google universe into a Facebook/Apple style walled garden called Google+. Evil plan or not, the days of Google as the champion of the open web are over.
This is actually the final step for me. I've been an avid Google fan since the early days. I use all the Google services, I use Chrome religiously, I convince family/friends to switch to Chrome from IE, and I've always been convinced Google is the one we're supposed to look up to for how things should be done. Yeah they've made mistakes, and G+ is a clusterfuck of brilliant talent thrown down a horrible path of close…
I don't understand why these changes make you switch from Chrome to Firefox.
There appears to be a really prevalent attitude here on HN that you can either really love or really hate a company. If you like it, you use all their stuff. When the switch in your mind flips and you know you must instantly start hating them, it means you must stop using every instance of their software, whether it's related or not to whatever your issues were.
It seems kind of silly.
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#53Twitter has disabled RSS this month too. Is RSS too open for the big players?
I disabled it on my blog a long time ago because I want people to actually come to my website to read my posts. See the "related" posts and the "comments" section etc... I guess it's even more obvious if you have ads on the website.
Dont know your site, but be sure I would never come back to it if you dont have a RSS feed (and leave it within 2 secs if there is any ad on it).
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#54Twitter has disabled RSS this month too. Is RSS too open for the big players?
No they didn't. Still works: https://api.twitter.com/1/statuses/user_timeline.rss?screen_...
They have said they're planning to get rid of it sometime soon, though. Sucks for people like me who used Google Reader to keep track of Twitter RSS feeds, ha. Google Reader is really easy to replace, at least. I'm much more upset about Twitter.
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You're incorrect, that's not how NaCl or Dart were developed. They were developed in secret years before released. They're alpha versions had all of the fundamentals established when finally presented to the public.
I don't see how the way in which something is developed before its first release has any bearing on whether its current development is community-driven. Everything was designed in secret at some point: within the head of whoever was thinking about it, before they decided to start talking about it.
> I don't see how the way in which something is developed before its first release has any bearing on whether its current development is community-driven.
You don't? Go look at the nacl commit logs and count how many non-Google employees are contributing. That it was developed in secret is precisely the reason for this (not because they are against outside contributors today).
If you develop a supposedly open technology in secret it either needs to be 1) really good or 2) really popular. XHR is successful because it fits into both. Whatever you may feel about NaCl, Microsoft, Apple and Mozilla don't think it's good.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is actually the final step for me. I've been an avid Google fan since the early days. I use all the Google services, I use Chrome religiously, I convince family/friends to switch to Chrome from IE, and I've always been convinced Google is the one we're supposed to look up to for how things should be done. Yeah they've made mistakes, and G+ is a clusterfuck of brilliant talent thrown down a horrible path of close…
I suspect this as well, which is why I deleted my G+ account in protest the other day. It was remarkably easy to do, both practically (just click a couple buttons) and sentimentally (in ~2 years there has rarely been any activity from any of my contacts, and I follow most of them on Twitter anyway). I've heard people hem and haw over deleting their Facebook account; G+ offers no such difficulty.
Could you detail what actually gets deleted? The support page [1] is brief on details and I'm especially interested if it deletes photo albums which were originally uploaded via Picassa
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#57Twitter has disabled RSS this month too. Is RSS too open for the big players?
I disabled it on my blog a long time ago because I want people to actually come to my website to read my posts. See the "related" posts and the "comments" section etc... I guess it's even more obvious if you have ads on the website.
You can have an RSS feed that doesn't include the full post, just a title and maybe the first sentence or two. A lot of sites do that (Salon.com comes to mind immediately).
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I disabled it on my blog a long time ago because I want people to actually come to my website to read my posts. See the "related" posts and the "comments" section etc... I guess it's even more obvious if you have ads on the website.
Dont know your site, but be sure I would never come back to it if you dont have a RSS feed (and leave it within 2 secs if there is any ad on it).
I know this is some people's problems. But I believe it is the minority. So I've made my decision. I also don't support old IE browsers.
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I disabled it on my blog a long time ago because I want people to actually come to my website to read my posts. See the "related" posts and the "comments" section etc... I guess it's even more obvious if you have ads on the website.
You can have an RSS feed that doesn't include the full post, just a title and maybe the first sentence or two. A lot of sites do that (Salon.com comes to mind immediately).
But that's also not what I want. I want people to come check regularly (or not) if something is new. That's a way to create loyal visitors.
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NaCl and Dart were not created in the open. Both were secret projects within Google before their alpha versions were released; Dart was in development for at least 2 years before it was announced to the world. By that time there was no way a third party could have an affect on any of the fundamentals. Also, for the record, PNaCl doesn't have a spec. It only has a reference implementation.
> By that time there was no way a third party could have an affect on any of the fundamentals. It's not like NaCl is a market-dominating monopoly format like MS Word .doc now or anything. Going by usage, it's basically still a prototype. Anyone (e.g. Mozilla) who disagrees with the fundamentals of the design so thoroughly that they don't want to work with what Google came up with, could create a competitor to NaCl us…
> There are two alternatives when coming up with a standard: drag people through a committee forever to pin down every little feature--or just have one of the concerned parties throw together a working implementation
You can do #2 in the open. This is what Mozilla is doing with it's Web APIs. Doing it in the open hasn't slowed them down at all.