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This Man Thinks He Never Has to Eat Again

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Re: This Man Thinks He Never Has to Eat Again

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The naturalistic fallacy is only relevant when dealing with ethics.

No it isn't. "Good" is not a strictly ethical question. In this case, someone is wrongly pretending that whatever is "natural" to eat is also "healthy" to eat, and thus "good".

On second look, I agree with you that my statement (while true) does not apply to the grandparent, because as you explained the naturalistic fallacy does seem to apply here.

Re: This Man Thinks He Never Has to Eat Again

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It's awesome to run into you on HN. I'm building travel plans based on your blog postings!

Nice! You'll find my side project, http://wikioverland.org extremely useful. If you need anything at all, please don't hesitate to contact me!

Thank you! I actually found your blog because I stumbled upon wikioverland.org; I plan on doing the Pan American Highway route.

I'll definitely get in touch!

Re: This Man Thinks He Never Has to Eat Again

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The diet of the Inuit was widely believed to be impossible for some time (and probably still is) because no one thought it was possible they could subsist solely on fish meat. When put to the test by a pair of scientists who replicated the diet though, they found few ill-effects - except at one point where they were hitting a nutritional deficiency, but corrected it by putting semi-rotten fish product (which is a dis…

I would like to know more ... I know a bit about Inuit and their diet - I've read "My Life with the Eskimo" by Vilhjalmur Stefansson http://www.amazon.com/Life-Eskimo-New-Vilhjalmur-Stefansson/... Stefansson and another explorer, Andersson, participated in an experiment where they did not eat anything but meat for a year - and remained in excellent health http://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com.au/2009/09/two-brave-m..…

That second link should be the experiment I was referring to. I remember reading an account of it that one of them did run into some vitamin deficiencies which they realized were because they'd been excluding a particular type of partially-rotten fish dish that normally provided them.

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>It's quite possible to develop chronic conditions, that are not apparent at first, and only manifest themselves after years of nutritional deficiency. Oh, well that is certainly a reasonable basis to pretend a very complete diet is dangerous and lacking. Oh wait, no that is a completely nonsensical basis.

The author himself shows a little more humility: "You’re exactly right. This is a risk, an experiment. " -rob [1] . I find it incredible that you will not concede any significant difference between D3 and D2 or between K1 and K2 groups. When the facts show the opposite. [2] Have you actually read the book on K2 and the evidence that it reduces arterial calcification? You act like it's perfectly reasonable to dismiss…

>"You’re exactly right. This is a risk, an experiment. "

But that is not what you claimed. You didn't say "this carries some risk", you said he is out of his depth, doesn't know what he is doing, and will pay the price. You are the arrogant one.

>You act like it's perfectly reasonable to dismiss studies

You are the one doing that, not me.

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Did you even read that link? That does not apply to things like protein powder, or meal replacement drinks like this discussion is about. >Others make their supplements in unsanitary factories That's equally true of all sorts of food.

> That's equally true of all sorts of food. No, it isn't, thanks to the FDA.

Oh I see, the FDA has magic powers that make all food products perfectly safe, which is why we never have problems with food born illness right? But that magically doesn't apply to a certain class of food products you want to pretend are different even though the FDA says they are not different and applies the exact same standards to them.

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> "Extraordinary claims, extraordinary proof, or GTFO." > "I see this guy's protocol as nothing but poisonous in the long run." You place a burden of evidence on him that you yourself in this very post violated on a number of occasions. You CANNOT call his diet poisonous simply because you disagree with it. You admitted it yourself: > "Current research is showing that we are only just beginning to gain understanding…

The burden of evidence should be on the person claiming to have a miracle drink. The burdon of evidence should be even greater when it's a non-natural source, as Nassim Taleb argues in Antifragile, "The "non-natural" has to prove its harmlessness." If you don't take this viewpoint, you end up with cigarettes, transfat and radium jewelry.

What is not natural with cigarettes?

Re: This Man Thinks He Never Has to Eat Again

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I'd be really curious to learn how his teeth and gums are doing. If you can find a way to eat without ever having food touch your teeth or gums, I'd imagine you'd have incredible oral health. Thoughts?

What no fibers and structure? Problems with the digestion system, teeth and gums will occur that way. So, even if it was healthy, it would lack fibers and structure that cleanup our digestion system and make our jaw, teeth and gums stronger. Chewing your food thoroughly also exercises your teeth and stimulates the vitality of the socket and gums which hold the teeth in the jaw. We know that activity that causes muscl…

there is chewing-gum :)

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First, we don't know what the components of a healthy diet are. We thought we did decades ago, but were blissfully unaware of micronutrients (and, as I understand it, infant formula from around this time made a bunch of babies have developmental disorders as a result). Second, we're quickly realizing that nutrition is significantly more than the sum of its parts. Nutrients taken together as opposed to separately can…

Is there any reason to think that "separately" is the preferred way? As for not knowing the components of a healthy diet, that objection applies equally to taking in food the normal way, so I really don't see the relevance. If we don't know enough to build a proper slurry that contains everything, then we don't know enough to build a proper normal diet that contains everything.

One other aspect I ignored in my earlier post is that the digestive tract actually needs solid mass in order to perform peristalsis. Hospitals have to avoid giving patients a liquid diet for too long, or else the digestive tract basically just stops — and it's a pain in the ass to restart.

Additionally, we have only the faintest idea how this might affect gut bacteria, which is an enormous component of both our digestive system as well as immune system. Without giving them our "table scraps", what happens to them?

Re: This Man Thinks He Never Has to Eat Again

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Reading this guy's blog reminded me very much of personal experiences of people suffering a significantly damaging eating disorder (ED) such as anorexia -

ED sufferers also report euphoria, and a keen focus on key metrics such as weight loss and exercise allows them to ignore negative health effects.

I would suggest this guy's experience is textbook typical of very low calorie diets (VLCD). That doesn't mean it will be healthy in the long-term - according to wikipedia, he might expect gallstones.

Re: This Man Thinks He Never Has to Eat Again

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> That's equally true of all sorts of food. No, it isn't, thanks to the FDA.

Oh I see, the FDA has magic powers that make all food products perfectly safe, which is why we never have problems with food born illness right? But that magically doesn't apply to a certain class of food products you want to pretend are different even though the FDA says they are not different and applies the exact same standards to them.

No, the FDA makes food safer than supplements are.

You have no idea how bad food was prior to the FDA.

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