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One bottle of ritalin and a day later... tadaaa
You're the 2nd guy in here recommending drugs. Shame on ya. Nootropics like ritalin are like steroids in the 70s. NOT studied well enough and they come with a price.
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Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)
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If I post a job to one of these sites, it's pretty much guaranteed to get 20+ responses from devs in India. Most are pre-written responses that don't really show that the project was read in any sort of detail. I'd actually be curious to find out how these operations actually work. Are they solo devs just casting a massive net ? Solo devs actually outsourcing responding to gigs? Agencies applying for as many jobs as…
I think they're just cheap and aggressive companies. I had one calling me daily trying to "partner". I had to yell at him to get him to stop. What I don't get is why some of these guys don't approach business like their US counterparts and charge US rates. They could live like kings in some areas of the world. Maybe that's easier said than done. But even the good ones seem to compete on price.
I guess it's the opposite of what's going on in San Francisco where anybody with a CS degree or equivalent experience expects six figures. There they all expect very little and are happy to get a bit more than the guys hustling hard for $10/hour.
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Exactly. Developers really get their panties in a wad over this. Get over yourselves.
I did not downvote you, nor do I think that you should have been downvoted. Sure, perhaps plumbers and lawyers get unreasonable price requests as much as programmers. Sadly, getting panties in a wad over this — in one way or another — is the only way to keep wages up. If we are not for ourselves, then who will be?
If you want to get your panties in a wad, then go right ahead. But that won't help your cause.
If you want to keep your wages up, then find a market where there is a supply shortage, or increase your own quality so that you can command a higher price in the market that you're in.
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Exactly. Developers really get their panties in a wad over this. Get over yourselves.
I did not downvote you, nor do I think that you should have been downvoted. Sure, perhaps plumbers and lawyers get unreasonable price requests as much as programmers. Sadly, getting panties in a wad over this — in one way or another — is the only way to keep wages up. If we are not for ourselves, then who will be?
Everyone seems to always know their uncle's friend's nephew's brother who makes web sites for $100 so they assume a 2 page static site of horribad quality will cost the same as anything else.
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I did not downvote you, nor do I think that you should have been downvoted. Sure, perhaps plumbers and lawyers get unreasonable price requests as much as programmers. Sadly, getting panties in a wad over this — in one way or another — is the only way to keep wages up. If we are not for ourselves, then who will be?
I feel like this happens much less often for lawyers. I never heard of someone say "let's hire a lawyer, it'll cost almost nothing". It's always the exact opposite. People assume a lawyer is going to be really expensive because they are. Everyone seems to always know their uncle's friend's nephew's brother who makes web sites for $100 so they assume a 2 page static site of horribad quality will cost the same as anyth…
On the other hand, programmers do not. There exist programmers who are cheap.
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I feel like this happens much less often for lawyers. I never heard of someone say "let's hire a lawyer, it'll cost almost nothing". It's always the exact opposite. People assume a lawyer is going to be really expensive because they are. Everyone seems to always know their uncle's friend's nephew's brother who makes web sites for $100 so they assume a 2 page static site of horribad quality will cost the same as anyth…
I guess that makes sense. Could this be because lawyers artificially limit their supply, so all lawyers are expensive? On the other hand, programmers do not. There exist programmers who are cheap.
That's going to cut down on the supply of lawyers.
Programming can also be done remotely. Having someone working in India where the cost of living for them might be 50x less than NYC is going to result in them working for a cheaper price than a programmer in NYC.
You can't really hire a plumber or lawyer from another country and expect them to be able to do their job remotely too.
Re: I want build Email service Website Like Gmail / Hotmail / Yahoo (for $500-$1000)
#77Funny how we ridicule freelance sites like elance and their seemingly ingnorant project requests and race to the bottom pricing model yet celebrate low budget - super fast development feats of engineering like http://blog.zite.com/2013/03/14/google-reader-is-dead-so-we-...
As a side note: I'm not a user of zite, feedly (sp?), or flipboard, and I can't stand these magazine-like interfaces. It seems to me, people that want that sort of interface never want to see the RSS acronym, nor know what it is/ how it works.
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Have you used elance? I've been posting multiple jobs per month for years and 90% of proposals I receive are PHP devs from India that charge ~$10/hour. That's not a bad thing. Many of those guys are highly skilled and I hire them often.
I heard a story from a friend who works in the oil industry. The Indian dev team had updated the software that controlled the oil flow from a field, but they'd introduced a bug that was losing $5000 (or barrels, memory fails me) a day somehow. They couldn't roll back to the previous version because they weren't using version control for the software. I've seen some balls ups from UK teams too fwiw, but nothing that a…
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You're the 2nd guy in here recommending drugs. Shame on ya. Nootropics like ritalin are like steroids in the 70s. NOT studied well enough and they come with a price.
Whats wrong with steroids? Dianabol is the breakfast of champions according to Arnold.
Dianabol is really not the way it goes today ;)