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Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by XorNot »

tomflack wrote: post #91
orionblastar wrote: post #86

Why can't we just roll our own CalDAV server via open source projects instead of getting upset that Google is dropping it? Google is dropping Reader, but we can use opens source projects to find another RSS reader. Heck I use Thunderbird for my RSS reading.

For me, I have no problem running my own contacts/calendar server with calDAV/cardDAV support. I really hate running email servers though - and it's really nice to have your contacts and calendars integrated with your webmail.

I've been looking for a good calendar/contacts server, my general requirement being a really understandable backend data format (i.e. so I can just copy my home directory off the server and get everything).

Radicale looks nice, but I haven't managed to get it to work properly so far.

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by gcp »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #47
georgemcbay wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone often accused of being a Google "fanboi"... I agree. I'm not going to abandon Go or Chrome or anything because they are fully OSS so if Google drops them it isn't the end of the world, but I wouldn't dream of building a service (even a free for-fun one) on top of some Google Web API these days. Maybe that's fine with them (seems like they have a corporate mission to eliminate the whole idea of free or near…

Chrome isn't OSS. You're thinking of Chromium.

Chromium for Android is a joke. It doesn't even have tabs and has nothing in common with Chrome. I wonder what they need to hide.

Google is clearly not an open source company.

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by OGinparadise »

TillE wrote: post #45
orangethirty wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like PG said in one of his essays, Google is now the new Microsoft. It used to be about giving hackers tools to build on top of their services. Now, its all about turning the search engine into a social network. And before the Google army comes in, let me say one thing. I used to love Google. Used all of their services. Built stuff with their services. Each computer I touched got Chrome installed. I was a fan bo…

I think a lot of the fingerpointing at Google has been ridiculous and way overblown. But there have been a few things, and I think the services they've shut down (eg, Wave and Labs and now Reader) are a good indicator of their new "focus". With the death of Reader, my last shred of goodwill is basically gone. I've used an @gmail.com address for the past six years despite having my own domain, and now that's going to…

always use your name@YOURdomain.com. Google, yahoo and MS can always cut you off in a heartbeat. With your own domain, you can forward it to a new provider.

That's why I will 'never' embrace cloud that tightly.

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by spinchange »

raldi wrote: post #94

Can someone explain, in a way that assumes no prior knowledge of CalDAV, what the impact of this change will be?

Short, worst-case answer: Google web calendars no longer syncing with Microsoft or Apple's local ones. There are finer points and some exceptions, but that's the basic bottom line.

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by spinchange »

orionblastar wrote: post #86

Why can't we just roll our own CalDAV server via open source projects instead of getting upset that Google is dropping it? Google is dropping Reader, but we can use opens source projects to find another RSS reader. Heck I use Thunderbird for my RSS reading.

For one reason, Google has a paid enterprise offering that they sell under contract and dropping support for this is the second shoe to drop in breaking one of its most important components for commercial use. Not every small business has the resources or inclination to DIY their own hosted calendar service, especially when they're already paying for one.

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by workbench »

niggler wrote: post #28
guelo wrote: post #15

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They're going down the Facebook route, they want to lock you into their AOL-style walled garden. I was surprised the other day when I went to share a video from Google+ to Facebook, turns out I couldn't, it wasn't a youtube video as I had expected.

Was that Google+'s fault for not giving an easily-embeddable link or Facebook's fault for refusing to show the goods?

I don't see why Facebook would have a problem with you taking content out of G+

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by workbench »

surrealize wrote: post #65
onemorepassword wrote: post #63

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Replacing an open standard with your own proprietary crap once you have achieved dominance (anybody here not using Google Calendar?) in the market? That's 90's Microsoft-level "evil".

Microsoft-level evil would be charging people for the privilege of using the API, like with ActiveSync. Google isn't quite there yet, but they're certainly moving in that direction.

Ohh well thats absolutely fine then if they're killing off all the competition with a subsidised product then switching all the standard access to their own API because they're doing it for ★FREE★.

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by OGinparadise »

chapel wrote: post #73
onemorepassword wrote: post #66

I'm pretty much done with Google as supplier of business apps. I have to migrate our company's Google Apps account anyway because of a (domain)name change (which is still hell with Google Apps anyway, you basically have to buy and setup a totally new account an migrate everything by hand or with 3rd party tools), so I might as well look for another supplier. As much as I dislike everything Microsoft, 365 currently lo…

You can add alternate domains to Google Apps accounts which can work just as the main domain. So you don't have to migrate anything, it is the same account just acknowledges and accepts the alternate domain.

You can add alternate domains to Google Apps accounts which can work just as the main domain.

Until they decide--all of the sudden--that you can't any more (assuming you can now). His point is that Google is unreliable as a long term partner and should not be counted on.

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by chmars »

onemorepassword wrote: post #66

I'm pretty much done with Google as supplier of business apps. I have to migrate our company's Google Apps account anyway because of a (domain)name change (which is still hell with Google Apps anyway, you basically have to buy and setup a totally new account an migrate everything by hand or with 3rd party tools), so I might as well look for another supplier. As much as I dislike everything Microsoft, 365 currently lo…

Does Microsoft offer a convenient migration path from Google Apps for Business to Office 365?

I have not found anything on such a migration path so far, only more or less desperate forum posts …

Google Apps also have the advantage that you can mix free and paid accounts. We have for example some employees who share their business calendars (paid accounts) with their family members (free accounts).

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by wuest »

smokinjoe wrote: post #61
orangethirty wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like PG said in one of his essays, Google is now the new Microsoft. It used to be about giving hackers tools to build on top of their services. Now, its all about turning the search engine into a social network. And before the Google army comes in, let me say one thing. I used to love Google. Used all of their services. Built stuff with their services. Each computer I touched got Chrome installed. I was a fan bo…

> And before the Google army comes in, let me say one thing. I used to love Google. Used all of their services. Built stuff with their services. Each computer I touched got Chrome installed. I was a fan boy. But then they started changing. Just because they didn't satisfy your demands you decide to take such a drastic turn? Perhaps they were trying to satisfy other casual Internet users as well. Not to say you're wro…

I don't think that Google showing a propensity to give services the axe, rather than simply deprecating them and giving them little or no support is a case of "not satisfying demands." That, mixed with their history of spotty support for the things which they DO officially support gives them the appearance of being a shifting platform. This lead me, at least, to depend on them as little as I have to.
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