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I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

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Re: I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

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Though a bit more on the "actual implementation" side of things, there's an Australian group called "Axis Of Awesome" who did an interesting song called "Four Chords". It shows the use of a set of four common chords in a lot of different songs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

This is exactly what I thought about when I saw the article :)

Re: I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

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10/10, not least because MIDI export has been added to the editor sine the last time I looked. Now if only there were some way to redirect the MIDI under Windows 7 to something other than the Microsoft Wavetable synth, like an external MIDI port so I don't have to hear everything on that bad piano... One minor thing is that there could be a better way to browse by songs than just the top 10 and 10 most recent. Most o…

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I know, but it only shows the top 10 of each (which is what I was referring to above). I grew up listening to mostly British music in the 80s, but that's underrepresented in the database - so I searched for the Smiths, Pet Shop boys, and several other bands from that period without getting any results at all.

Re: I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

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Reminds me of the great scifi short story Melancholy Elephants by Spider Robinson, which examines how perpetual copyright would negatively impact music (there are only so many novel melodies that are pleasant to listen to): http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200011/0671319744___1.htm

Re: I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

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post #29

Though a bit more on the "actual implementation" side of things, there's an Australian group called "Axis Of Awesome" who did an interesting song called "Four Chords". It shows the use of a set of four common chords in a lot of different songs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

This is exactly what I thought about when I saw the article :)

... and still nobody wrote 'Pachelbel' yet. :-)

Re: I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

#36
A bit on a same note (pun intended), Jim Pavloff has uploaded to YouTube some cool videos, where he re-creates some of the tunes by The Prodigy based on the listed samples, e.g. Voodoo People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYLp5uX9Yw) and Firestarter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZImvdZ3EZI)

Re: I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

#37

1. Start with any key. 2. Look up the relative minor. 3. Go one step to the right and/or one step to the left in the Circle of Fifths. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths There, you have the most popular and pleasant-sounding chord progressions in any key. If you want funkier progressions, go further in the circle. Edit: The chords sound more jazzy when you go counter-clockwise (it is the circle-of-fourths)…

> The chords sound more jazzy when you go counter-clockwise (it is the circle-of-fourths)

As a side note, movement by fourths sounds more jazzy or "warm" because the interval of a 4th is itself a "warm" sounding interval. So if you want a warm sounding chord, slap a 4th in there.

In practice this often means adding an 11th (an octave above). So let's say you have a standard C7 chord (C E G Bb), if you want to make it sound jazzy/warm then add the F above.

If you want to demonstrate how warm a 4th is (or to get the feel for any interval) stack them up and play them together - C F Bb Eb

Re: I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

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Fantastic work, I love it. The results I get are sometimes surprising. I play mostly folk, country and blues so it's always surprising how irreverent a lot of pop music is when it comes to progressions. Also, I don't see the "big II" hardly at all. Playing the major II instead of the minor ii is fairly common at jams I've been to but maybe it's because a lot of people don't know minor chords, throw in the major instead and think it sounds good.

Re: I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

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Very relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

It bothers me a bit when people link this to 'explain away' pop music.

It's my belief this is an oversimplification - many of these songs are written in different keys, which can create different sounds and feelings of songs. Sure, you can transpose them to a common key (as they've done here), but at that point, it's not really the same song anymore. Also, I've found that chord progressions can be quite flexible if only 'snip-its' of certain songs are being used, namely the standard chorus or verse. Much of the genius of songwriting comes in transitions or bridges.

I'm not denying this is not entertaining, and it works to an extent, but I would say that there is a degree to which this hinges on the widespread renown of these songs. It's not so easy to say they would have become so popular if they were all written in the same key, and not the one of the original artist.

Pop music is frequently spoken down upon, that it's 'talent-less' or 'garbage', but it really is like any other expert discipline - if it were so easy, there wouldn't be such a saturation of experts dominating the field. My opinion most of the talent is in production - Dr. Luke, Red One, Max Martin, etc.

Re: I analyzed the chords to 1300 songs for patterns. Part 3 – Interactive Discovery

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Very relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

It bothers me a bit when people link this to 'explain away' pop music. It's my belief this is an oversimplification - many of these songs are written in different keys, which can create different sounds and feelings of songs. Sure, you can transpose them to a common key (as they've done here), but at that point, it's not really the same song anymore. Also, I've found that chord progressions can be quite flexible if o…

> Pop music is frequently spoken down upon, that it's 'talent-less' or 'garbage', but it really is like any other expert discipline - if it were so easy, there wouldn't be such a saturation of experts dominating the field.

Pop music and folk songs use common chord progressions with variations for the simple reason that such songs are easy to pick up and play. To that end, pop music is the opposite of an expert discipline, it is a form that is accessible to people who want to play music. That doesn't mean that a pop song can't be complicated or have lots of technical finesse, but that wouldn't be the typical kind of pop song people play.

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