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Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by thedragon4453 »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #58
thedragon4453 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that depends. I had the same reaction, and my thought was to basically go the opensource route, but some products almost have to be replaced with a company. Products I use from Google: * Search - replace with duck duck go * Chrome - Firefox, most likely, but there are tons of browser options these days. * Voice - this is the one that really has me hooked into the service. Not sure what I'd use instead, if not j…

Interesting list. This got me wondering if there are any zero-knowledge email providers out there, especially ones that let you use your own domain. Only thing I found so far though is an empty Quora question: http://www.quora.com/Cryptography/Is-there-any-zero-knowledg...

For that particular need, I'd expect that I'm rolling my own, or using a service provided by my business or something. At the very least, I'd assume that I'm paying for it, and even then, when you get to that level, you probably want to just do it yourself for the knowledge that you really do have complete control.

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by vxNsr »

thedragon4453 wrote: post #44
psbp wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't you just be reliant another another company? What's to guarantee that they won't close down the service one day?

Well, that depends. I had the same reaction, and my thought was to basically go the opensource route, but some products almost have to be replaced with a company. Products I use from Google: * Search - replace with duck duck go * Chrome - Firefox, most likely, but there are tons of browser options these days. * Voice - this is the one that really has me hooked into the service. Not sure what I'd use instead, if not j…

See the real thing Google has is not that they offer a bunch of services, it's that those services are all tied together very neatly.

When I transition to a new computer all I have to do is install chrome and I basically have everything I need - the login will get me all my extensions + put me in email, calander, voice, youtube, and search. All with one login, that's the power, people are lazy, they don't really care about OSS or freedom, they follow the path of least resistance, and in this case that's Google, good or evil.

It sucks but it's true. I keep thinking about moving to a different email provider but then I have to find one that does all the things that gmail does, and has a decent calender app (there is NO replacement for voice) and something that does search in an okay and understandable way. I can't find one. The only reason I use facebook over G+ is because I don't know anyone on G+ otherwise that too wold be my social network of choice. In addition my University uses Gapps so I'd be stuck with google regardless (for at least the next four years).

And really that's the issue, so far it seems from history that once you reach a certain critical mass, there is no way to not be evil, Google was great until about 2011, but they've turned on us....

wow...just realized this is a lot of rambling... still I make a couple good points

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by vxNsr »

spinchange wrote: post #43
bschlinker wrote: post #9

"Google's CalDAV page already lists the API as being "deprecated." A note on the page adds "If you think you have a compelling use case and would like to be whitelisted for the new version of CalDAV API, please fill out this form." ... Google, however, confirmed this will not impact the agreement with Microsoft and that the Softies will still be able to implement CalDav support on Windows Phone." http://www.zdnet.com…

That article, and many of the others linked from within show that it is very unclear what's going on exactly. It would appear that Microsoft is only planning on implementing CalDAV in Windows Phone but has, as of yet, not confirmed it. It does appear that they have confirmed not supporting CalDAV on Windows 8, RT, or Outlook. And since Google is phasing out support for ActiveSync come 7/31/2013, the only way to sync…

I would reply that at least the windows issues will be solved with Blue coming to screens near you this spring or early summer.

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by olegp »

onemorepassword wrote: post #66

I'm pretty much done with Google as supplier of business apps. I have to migrate our company's Google Apps account anyway because of a (domain)name change (which is still hell with Google Apps anyway, you basically have to buy and setup a totally new account an migrate everything by hand or with 3rd party tools), so I might as well look for another supplier. As much as I dislike everything Microsoft, 365 currently lo…

Why jump out of the frying pan into the fire? At StartHQ (https://starthq.com) we are trying to build a directory of high quality business web apps from smaller companies such as the ones run by many of us here. Perhaps there's something there that fits your requirements?

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by TimCinel »

orionblastar wrote: post #86

Why can't we just roll our own CalDAV server via open source projects instead of getting upset that Google is dropping it? Google is dropping Reader, but we can use opens source projects to find another RSS reader. Heck I use Thunderbird for my RSS reading.

There's Baikal Server[1], which is a pretty neat project that allows you to host and manage several CalDAV and CardDAV accounts on a server. Have been running it for nearly two months with absolutely no issue.

Nobody's pulling the rug out from under me. Except me.

[1]: http://baikal-server.com/

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by [deleted] »

orangethirty wrote: post #42
georgemcbay wrote: post #38

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As someone often accused of being a Google "fanboi"... I agree. I'm not going to abandon Go or Chrome or anything because they are fully OSS so if Google drops them it isn't the end of the world, but I wouldn't dream of building a service (even a free for-fun one) on top of some Google Web API these days. Maybe that's fine with them (seems like they have a corporate mission to eliminate the whole idea of free or near…

Yeah, that's the crazy aspect to this. I really like Go, Chrome, and a lot of the other things they offer. But to quote a character named Mr. Lahey from from the tv show "Trailer Park Boys": "Its all a shit-storm now." You can't built bridges on top of shaky ground.

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Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by pyre »

jcurbo wrote: post #31

I moved off of Google Calendar and Google Reader (and have never used GMail) for exactly these reasons several months ago. I do not want to be dependent on free services or ones that might go away. I know this could be true for any company - but at least for ones I am paying for I have support agreements.

Care to mention whom you moved to for Calendar / Reader?

Re: Google: Do what you want with Reader, but don't kill CalDAV

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Post by onemorepassword »

chapel wrote: post #73
onemorepassword wrote: post #66

I'm pretty much done with Google as supplier of business apps. I have to migrate our company's Google Apps account anyway because of a (domain)name change (which is still hell with Google Apps anyway, you basically have to buy and setup a totally new account an migrate everything by hand or with 3rd party tools), so I might as well look for another supplier. As much as I dislike everything Microsoft, 365 currently lo…

You can add alternate domains to Google Apps accounts which can work just as the main domain. So you don't have to migrate anything, it is the same account just acknowledges and accepts the alternate domain.

No they don't. This is the reason why this is such a hell. Yes, the account acknowledges the alternate name, but Google keeps publicly replacing it with the primary name as soon as you do anything.

This is not just ugly and confusing from a marketing and branding perspective, it leads to all kinds of complications with software that reacts to email-addresses, or services that are coupled to Google Apps.

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