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post #114

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> Seriously, do you want to marry someone who might cheat because your dick is not as wide as that of a hookup who happened to show up at the college reunion? Why are you so afraid of women?

He has a good point though. I certainly would not want my wife/serious gf to have been "around" a lot (i.e. knowing the football team). Maybe casual sexual encounters is American culture, but respectfully I think it is a bad thing.

Mature love is about learning to accept people for who they are, where they came from, and where they are going.

Otherwise you're just trying to fulfill a shopping list, and it's not going to work out for anyone.

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post #136

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I know a number of wonderful American girls as well. Three-quarters of them, for what it's worth, weren't born here or are second-generation immigrants. The problem is not that there are no decent American women. Obviously there are. The problem is that there are few of them, which means that the competition's pretty fierce. I think the problem is that we live in a society that provides financial incentives for women…

> I know a number of wonderful American girls as well. Three-quarters of them, for what it's worth, weren't born here or are second-generation immigrants. You have a point here. What I found (in general) is that if a generation is poor they will generally be hard-working. That generation and their children will generally have good qualities. But if a few generations are fairly well off they will start getting bad qua…

You have a point here. What I found (in general) is that if a generation is poor they will generally be hard-working. That generation and their children will generally have good qualities. But if a few generations are fairly well off they will start getting bad qualities – people start to think that they are entitled to everything and do not have to work for it.

I don't know how strongly it correlates to being wealthy. There are poor people who feel entitled (consider the subprime debacle and the massively inflated house prices in much of the country ca. 2007) and rich people who don't take anything for granted. It has more to do with culture than wealth.

In a few years you get the situation that kids drive to school in their cars, watch Paris Hilton programs and start to have sex at 14.

The car thing is just the status quo in the US; almost everyone has a car, because so many places lack public transportation. I drove to school in a car, but a used one.

As for feminism – it is a good idea, but the pendulum swung too far to the one side.

I think the nasty elements of "feminism" actually have nothing to do with feminism. For example, Sex and the City is not feminist in the least. Women should be allowed to have careers, should make pay equal to that of men, and shouldn't be looked down upon if they decide not to marry. However, glamorizing a rather crass lifestyle that most normal people would find unfulfilling does nothing for the feminist cause.

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post #128

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You're misanthropic, you know that? People are not sex-crazed, ravenous beasts out to rape each other to death the instant the gate drops. Maybe the reason people go out and get drunk together is because they love people, love others, love the world. They sleep with each other; express that love personally - sometimes it ends up lasting a lifetime; sometimes, like a sakura blossom, it falls away. This is what people…

People are not sex-crazed, ravenous beasts out to rape each other to death the instant the gate drops. Not all, but I'm just going to say that, if I had kids, I wouldn't let them anywhere near you. Why would anyone want to control such a joyous thing? Casual sex does lasting emotional harm to most people who participate. Stop trying to sell it as joyous just because it would suit you better if college freshmen fell m…

"if I had kids, I wouldn't let them anywhere near you"

Never fear, I don't think there's any danger of your having kids.

Funny you mention children, though. They on your mind a lot, are they? Child molestors often talk about how much they appreciate the little girls' "purity", "innocence", "lack of experience" ...

Just sayin'.

"Casual sex does lasting emotional harm to most people who participate. "

See, you state these things like they're facts, but the funny thing is you're just making them up. I wonder if you even realise that.

"it would suit you better if college freshmen fell more easily to cheesy lines about sakura blossoms"

I'll thank you to not steal my material!

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post #135

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It's not about "better" or "worse". It's about the fact that a woman who's been with too many guys starts wanting to "have it all", even on traits that are contradictory (e.g. she wants the brutish alpha and the sensitive guy, even though they never occur in the same person) and can never be satisfied by one man, no matter how good he is.

So, if no man can satisfy her, why are you worried? She'll be back if you turn out to be the best for her, after all. Just sounds like your whole strategy for winning the beautiful babies is to deny them the information they need to make an informed decision.

A woman who can't be satisfied by one man is not going to "settle" for the best guy out of N available. She's going to date one and fuck the others on the side.

Just sounds like your whole strategy for winning the beautiful babies is to deny them the information they need to make an informed decision.

No. I think women would she able to make informed decisions, but I also think they ought to be ladylike, resolute, and discriminate, rather the enabling the asshole alphas who go on to become rapists. Also, a woman who has had a lot of casual sex is simply not going to be emotionally stable enough for a long-term relationships.

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Perhaps, but some issues are more important than others, and moral character is a big one. A person's sexual history is evidence of that person's character (or lack thereof). It's the one area of life where people are easily pushed to do awful things to themselves and each other. Seriously, do you want to marry someone who might cheat because your dick is not as wide as that of a hookup who happened to show up at the…

These are tough topics. I'm not sure you will find answers here as each has to find comfort on these issues within themselves. You clearly feel that sexual history is highly correlated to moral character. This is a common position. Its not that you may be wrong (neither position can be proven) but more importantly if that's how you "feel" then you know what kind of woman to exclude from your search. Its great to find…

How do you determine "sexual fitness?" What does that mean anyways? Does it mean someone who has lots of sex? Then all you've said is a tautology. Do you mean someone who has pleasurable sex? Most people who have a lot of promiscuous sex find it loses its appeal, and they have to have more of it to get the same "buzz." Then, you have to consider how you measure pleasure. Are you measuring it by who has a lot of sex? I.e. someone who can get laid with a lot of people must give the other a lot of pleasure? Given my alternate analysis, these people may have a lot of sex because they've lost the real pleasure behind sex.

At any rate, such a criteria is much more subjective and open to a wider variety of interpretations than "morality." Whether you believe morality principles are based on objective reality or not, moral principles are codified in certain behavioral standards that are measurable, unlike something such as "sexual fitness."

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What the hell kind of fucked-up childhood did you have that rendered you qualified to dispense sex-ed advice at 14? Don't answer this. I really don't want to know.

I had good, consexual sex with another teenager. And unlike the other young people on the forum, I read a lot of scientific books, so I was able to counter such idiotic, voodoo-type teenaged beliefs such as "stretched out" vaginas.

You lost your virginity at 14, and you admit this in public? I'm shocked. I honestly don't know what to say to that.

I hope that either you or Biff tipped the overnight guy at the gas station. Cleaning those restrooms is not a fun job.

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post #120

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> Please be careful though to not brand people as immoral simply because their past is different than yours. > From my perspective, I do not find a strong correlation between "sexual history" and "morality". I doubt that your definition of “niceness” is right. Morals (to me at least) is the basic rules that you live your life by – so it is inherently a personal concept. So whatever morals you live by – he may live by…

Good thoughts lalaca. I'm part of the over 40 crowd here on HN ;). I was raised with strong conservative and religious values and still hold on to most of them. My words to the OP were mostly about understanding that his values are personal to him and his needs are about compatibility. I asked him to worry more about "compatibility" than morals. I agree, I feel pendulum has swung too much the other direction in the l…

> Good thoughts lalaca. I'm part of the over 40 crowd here on HN ;).

I'm actually in my mid 20ies, but I noticed that I sound a lot like an older person on moral issues (because I tend to be a tad bit more conservative).

> I do not agree with the view that "you have to get laid in high school"

That is unfortunately the view among young people. A virgin is looked upon as someone with a type of disease.

> inherit ability to know right from wrong just because they may have had more sexual partners than someone of a prior generation?

The problem is that stable relationships (that eventually leads to marriage &&/|| children) aren't being formed any more. People like instant gratification (like 2 minute oats, etc...) anything that takes a tad bit commitment is ignored.

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I am also amazed at some morals of younger people (including most of my friends) - but this is a whole other topic.

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post #128

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You're misanthropic, you know that? People are not sex-crazed, ravenous beasts out to rape each other to death the instant the gate drops. Maybe the reason people go out and get drunk together is because they love people, love others, love the world. They sleep with each other; express that love personally - sometimes it ends up lasting a lifetime; sometimes, like a sakura blossom, it falls away. This is what people…

People are not sex-crazed, ravenous beasts out to rape each other to death the instant the gate drops. Not all, but I'm just going to say that, if I had kids, I wouldn't let them anywhere near you. Why would anyone want to control such a joyous thing? Casual sex does lasting emotional harm to most people who participate. Stop trying to sell it as joyous just because it would suit you better if college freshmen fell m…

Casual sex does lasting emotional harm to most people who participate.

Is there any evidence of this not coming from religious propaganda?

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post #114

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He has a good point though. I certainly would not want my wife/serious gf to have been "around" a lot (i.e. knowing the football team). Maybe casual sexual encounters is American culture, but respectfully I think it is a bad thing.

Mature love is about learning to accept people for who they are, where they came from, and where they are going. Otherwise you're just trying to fulfill a shopping list, and it's not going to work out for anyone.

Some things are unacceptable, though. Casual sex is one of them.

Would you marry an ex-child molester? Assume he claimed to be reformed, and that he didn't do it anymore, and that it was something he only did when he was intoxicated and "caught up in the moment" (whatever that means).

Obviously, the reasonable answer is no. Nobody wants to marry someone who's done something like that in his or her past. Experiences and past behaviors matter.

Now you understand how normal men feel about casual sex.

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Perhaps, but some issues are more important than others, and moral character is a big one. A person's sexual history is evidence of that person's character (or lack thereof). It's the one area of life where people are easily pushed to do awful things to themselves and each other. Seriously, do you want to marry someone who might cheat because your dick is not as wide as that of a hookup who happened to show up at the…

Perhaps, but some issues are more important than others, and moral character is a big one. A person's sexual history is evidence of that person's character (or lack thereof). It's the one area of life where people are easily pushed to do awful things to themselves and each other. How did you reach this strange conclusion? It seems to me that a person's sexual activities are completely orthogonal to their moral charac…

There's probably some reason based on objective reality that this has been the predominant belief in most cultures in most times. If you disagree, name such a belief that does not correspond to objective reality.
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