Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader • Hacker News Board

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

#11

Post by ChrisClark » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 8:53 PM UTC

davidpayne11 wrote: post #10

Please, as an advice to general HN posters, please avoid posting marco.org links here on HN, because his sole intention is to sell his readers out more than focusing on writing. That's a fairly grande accusation, but it's justified. Do you know why is he writing about Google Reader now? Go to your HN homepage right now, as of writing this comment, the Google reader announcement has about 1700 upvotes. Ouch, that's a…

Ok, so he responds to HN posts all the time. Everything he says here is a good idea. And I want all the reader developers to consider it. So I'm going to upvote it.

Just because he says what we want to hear doesn't make the content wrong. I want to hear it and I want others to hear it too.

If what he is recommending isn't perfect, the comments here can expand and fix it.

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

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Post by r00fus » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 8:56 PM UTC

tenpoundhammer wrote: post #9

All I know is that I will be on whatever reeder supports. So basically whoever makes that thing is going to be deciding my fate. I hope they choose wisely.

Bingo. This is what's up for grabs - who wants to be the underlying infrastructure for all these great apps like Reeder or RiverOfNews Note: most folks are opting for Twitter/FB + Flipboard-style apps, so most of the market will be the privacy oriented elite.

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

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Post by Wilya » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 8:59 PM UTC

davidpayne11 wrote: post #10

Please, as an advice to general HN posters, please avoid posting marco.org links here on HN, because his sole intention is to sell his readers out more than focusing on writing. That's a fairly grande accusation, but it's justified. Do you know why is he writing about Google Reader now? Go to your HN homepage right now, as of writing this comment, the Google reader announcement has about 1700 upvotes. Ouch, that's a…

He's far from the only one. Most people with thousands of followers monetize them, one way or another. There's a ton of bloggers out there hungry for pageviews.

So what ? Why accuse him right now, out of the blue ? And what does that have to do with the post ?

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

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Post by greghinch » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 9:06 PM UTC

davidpayne11 wrote: post #10

Please, as an advice to general HN posters, please avoid posting marco.org links here on HN, because his sole intention is to sell his readers out more than focusing on writing. That's a fairly grande accusation, but it's justified. Do you know why is he writing about Google Reader now? Go to your HN homepage right now, as of writing this comment, the Google reader announcement has about 1700 upvotes. Ouch, that's a…

Are you crying foul on a writer trying to make money for his writing? Do you cry foul on magazines, newspapers, etc. for selling ads? Ever notice how "the news" in general is about what's going on in the world currently?

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

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Post by adeaver » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 9:13 PM UTC

davidpayne11 wrote: post #10

Please, as an advice to general HN posters, please avoid posting marco.org links here on HN, because his sole intention is to sell his readers out more than focusing on writing. That's a fairly grande accusation, but it's justified. Do you know why is he writing about Google Reader now? Go to your HN homepage right now, as of writing this comment, the Google reader announcement has about 1700 upvotes. Ouch, that's a…

I saw 1 ad. 1. And he's not selling user information but ad space and sponsored link posts which doesn't flood his site.

What exactly are you protesting against?

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

#16

Post by timmins » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 9:15 PM UTC

ChrisClark wrote: post #11

davidpayne11 wrote: post #10

Please, as an advice to general HN posters, please avoid posting marco.org links here on HN, because his sole intention is to sell his readers out more than focusing on writing. That's a fairly grande accusation, but it's justified. Do you know why is he writing about Google Reader now? Go to your HN homepage right now, as of writing this comment, the Google reader announcement has about 1700 upvotes. Ouch, that's a…

Ok, so he responds to HN posts all the time. Everything he says here is a good idea. And I want all the reader developers to consider it. So I'm going to upvote it. Just because he says what we want to hear doesn't make the content wrong. I want to hear it and I want others to hear it too. If what he is recommending isn't perfect, the comments here can expand and fix it.

I've been under the impression that HN doesn't sit well with Marco. I've read it multiple times on multiple occasions.

Quickest example I could recall: https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/176437401156194305

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

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Post by ChuckMcM » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 9:19 PM UTC

Personally, this could be a killer use of App.net. Blend social with RSS and get something like Pandora for newsfeeds. Not sure how hard it would be to pull an RSS feed and then push that into an App.net stream, blended with some meta data on content and a machine learning algorithm which enhanced your feeds by finding similar feeds that has a high correlative match to what you read most. Just sayin'

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

#18

Post by saidajigumi » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 9:20 PM UTC

davidpayne11 wrote: post #10

Please, as an advice to general HN posters, please avoid posting marco.org links here on HN, because his sole intention is to sell his readers out more than focusing on writing. That's a fairly grande accusation, but it's justified. Do you know why is he writing about Google Reader now? Go to your HN homepage right now, as of writing this comment, the Google reader announcement has about 1700 upvotes. Ouch, that's a…

At some level, that's exactly how every ad-funded site in the world works. Is your complaint simply that the process is more visible? Marco.org and a few other independent sites use advertising that basically follows the "buy a slot" model that's been with us for more than a century. Is there an argument here as to why you would single out this ad-supported source versus every other such submission? I'll observe that there's nothing in the HN guidelines on- or off- topic about ad-funded sources.

In this case, you don't seem to have a critique of the content, the only area that the HN guidelines discuss. AFAICT, the content submitted is 1) original and 2) apparently quite relevant to the HN readership given the level of voted interest in this and other submissions related to the Google Reader shutdown.

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

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Post by lnanek2 » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 9:25 PM UTC

davidpayne11 wrote: post #10

Please, as an advice to general HN posters, please avoid posting marco.org links here on HN, because his sole intention is to sell his readers out more than focusing on writing. That's a fairly grande accusation, but it's justified. Do you know why is he writing about Google Reader now? Go to your HN homepage right now, as of writing this comment, the Google reader announcement has about 1700 upvotes. Ouch, that's a…

So he's basically our slave and writes more content on whatever we like? Awesome. If he wasn't already getting paid, I'd say let's hire him.

Re: Baby steps toward replacing Google Reader

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Post by corresation » Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 9:31 PM UTC

timmins wrote: post #16

ChrisClark wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so he responds to HN posts all the time. Everything he says here is a good idea. And I want all the reader developers to consider it. So I'm going to upvote it. Just because he says what we want to hear doesn't make the content wrong. I want to hear it and I want others to hear it too. If what he is recommending isn't perfect, the comments here can expand and fix it.

I've been under the impression that HN doesn't sit well with Marco. I've read it multiple times on multiple occasions. Quickest example I could recall: https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/176437401156194305

either factually wrong or completely irrelevant

Coming from Marco Arment that is rich.