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Re: Update from the CEO

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I can't even run chrome on my android (2.3). I've resorted to Firefox which is actually pretty nice.

Firefox for Android supports Froyo (2.2) up the latest Jelly Bean (4.2). Chrome for Android only supports ICS (4.0).

Performance is part of the Chrome brand and supporting 2.3 would only serve to weaken that brand. It would also require a monumental engineering effort.

Re: Update from the CEO

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You couldn't be more wrong and, unfortunately, I don't have the karma yet to enable downvoting :-). Easy example as long as we're on the topic, the Chrome browser or ChromeOS. I can think of a dozen things that could be done to Android to both mitigate against current threats and exploited weaknesses and either not interfere with or improve user experience. Unfortunately, we are long past the point where fundamental…

The usability of the browser is severely hampered by the security requirements. For one, it necessitates running code downloaded from the web in a sandbox, which prevents it from interacting with the rest of the computer in a meaningful way except through narrow channels designed painstakingly by committee. The web would be a much more interesting place if we could hook up arbitrary peripherals. It's holding back the…

>The web would be a much more interesting place if we could hook up >arbitrary peripherals. It's holding back the entire world from developing >better computer interfaces.

Im enginering something, that was a spinoff of this thougths.. i 've go an answer balancing the good parts of the web with the good parts of the app platforms.. plus some concepts of biological cells..

it may be a party for google, apple samsung and the like.. but we technological people are back to the nighmare that were the 90's.. with multiple platforms.. and thats the only reason browsers became popular.. even when we were loosing so much..

here we are into the nightmare again.. have to create things for multiple platforms :(

Re: Update from the CEO

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Are you talking updates without prompting the user? My Nexus (original) updates itself every so often with a prompt.

Android ought to update like Chrome: silently downloaded via Wifi (optionally via 3G/4G), installed in the background to whatever extent possible, and then show a reboot prompt only if needed. Android is a Linux distribution, so most updates ought to be possible without having to reboot the device.

Chrome's auto-updating has broken flash for me several times. The auto-update arrow icon seems to turn from green to red to brown (?), and once it's past green, flash stops working, more or less forcing me to restart it.

It's pretty much the equivalent of forcing a reboot of an OS like Android.

Re: Update from the CEO

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post #156

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> So iPhones aren't so secure. What's your benchmark? If you have access to the hardware virtually everything can be jailbroken. With the iPhone, however, you can't do it non-destructively (i.e. you can't get personal information). At least that's my understanding, if I'm wrong please correct me.

The original user-friendly jailbreaks worked by pressing a button on a website. That means that any website could use the same technique to run native code with root privileges on your iPhone. I'm not sure how much physical access is required for current jailbreaks.

IIRC it's been years since that's been possible, recent attempts seem to all fake a software update/reset via host computer connection. I'm not saying the iPhone is anywhere impossible to break into (I'm sure, like all OSs, there are vulnerabilities that allow access exposed to the user that have not been found yet), but because the apps are sandboxed, hackers need to break into software and then out of the sandbox (probably into kernely memory, again, but possibly just into privileged system access to the file system). The iPhone is certainly far more secure than most desktops because of this, and I suspect that because of Apple's control over it, the chance of your iPhone getting accessed without your permission is miniscule.

However, I am no mobile developer, so take this with a grain of salt.

Re: Update from the CEO

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>Google lets go its (sic) Android head... Why put the (sic) tag there? Should it have been "it's" which expands to "Google lets go it is Android head..."?

The lack of "of"?

You can let someone go without letting go of them.

Re: Update from the CEO

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Not to mention that Chrome has figured out how to push updates, while a majority of Androids are still running a version released over two years ago. If Google can start pushing auto-updates to all of its devices, that would be one of the greatest improvements ever made to Android. Also, one of Chrome's most touted features is performance, which has always been Android's weakest point. Hopefully he'll be willing to a…

> Not to mention that Chrome has figured out how to push updates, while a majority of Androids are still running a version released over two years ago. The reason for the hold out is the carriers, not Google. Google is very good at pushing updates to phones when it's not limited by the carriers (and Android implemented over the air updates years before anyone else did. iPhones still require cables to be updated).

>iPhones still require cables to be updated

This simply isn't true.

Re: Update from the CEO

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Observation by Benedict Evans: almost all key divisional leads at Google were born in India. Android, Engineering, Advertising, Youtube… Polar opposite to Apple, which is a white boys club.

There are lots of Indians in top Google management, definitely, but they're hardly the majority. Maybe 25% of "key divisional leads", maybe 25% of SVPs (a group that greatly overlaps with "key divisional leads"). First of all, there's no "key divisional lead" of "engineering". That's not a division at the top level. That'd be a pretty stupid top-level division, in a company which is mostly engineering (I'm deliberate…

Settle down, Beavis.

http://www.google.com/about/company/facts/management/

"Nikesh oversees all revenue and customer operations" - revenue, and more.

Two SVPs are listed for specifically for engineering, both Indian.

Android and Chrome, obviously. And there is no bio given for Salar Kamangar, Youtube, which sounded as thought it could have been an Indian name but obviously wasn't.

That's quite a high proportion of Indian people in senior positions, don't you think?

Beyond that, you're getting very upset by minor lack of precision in a tweet, of all things.

-Benedict Evans

Re: Update from the CEO

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Not to mention that Chrome has figured out how to push updates, while a majority of Androids are still running a version released over two years ago. If Google can start pushing auto-updates to all of its devices, that would be one of the greatest improvements ever made to Android. Also, one of Chrome's most touted features is performance, which has always been Android's weakest point. Hopefully he'll be willing to a…

Much harder for an OS than an app. Phone makers have their own custom set of drivers for driving their unique hardware and these often have to be changed in subsequent releases to deal with changes to the hardware abstraction layer. And even for releases that don't change the exposed hardware abstraction layer it can be really difficult to know if each phone maker's drivers will deal properly with subtle changes to t…

I also have heard carriers generally do not allow it (i.e. software makers pushing updates without the carriers permission). I have heard the reason is basically support costs. If they have not had time to test and vet your update against all the models running on their network, and you brick a phone (or a million), those customers are calling the carriers and they are probably pissed. They wouldn't know how to contact Google even if the thought of doing so wasn't so laughable.

Re: Update from the CEO

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post #136

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> Before Android, you could write a Windows Mobile app and have it run pretty much on every Windows Mobile device and the same with Blackberry and iPhones. Considering that Android pre-dates the iPhone (and thus iOS), the statement isn't accurate. This article cites 2004 and the iPhone didn't debut until the middle of 2007. It was indeed a nightmare, not only in the development process but in distribution. Good luck…

Note that 2007 is the iPhone's public debut. The project was started in 2004 [1]. Android the product was also announced in 2007, after the iPhone, although the project indeed started before the iPhone, in 2003 [2]. [1] http://readwrite.com/2012/08/07/4-real-secrets-weve-learned-... [2] http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2005-08-16/google-buys-a...

That doesn't matter, the post is talking about what was happening in 2004 and it was indeed a mess.
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