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Re: Update from the CEO

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Come on. Few nerds like us are concerned with benchmarks and perceived performance. Most people don't know what a browser is or what's their preference in the matter, they just use whatever is installed.

Really? Most people use macs or windows pcs, and neither of those have Chrome preinstalled. Nevertheless, Chrome has plenty of users...

Chrome comes pre-installed on many Windows PCs.

Re: Update from the CEO

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>At least on Android you can write one app and then tweak it to work on different devices, previously you had to write apps as different as Android/iOS/Windows for each device - and often individual manufacturers even had multiple platforms to write for. >So I think we owe Google some congratulations. Before Android, you could write a Windows Mobile app and have it run pretty much on every Windows Mobile device and t…

"Before Android, you could write a Windows Mobile app and have it run pretty much on every Windows Mobile device" - yeah, all one million of them.

Also, to be more serious, Pocket PC once ran on top of two processor families, so if you think fragmentation with a VM is bad, it's a lot worse when you have to build two binaries and try to explain to users which one they need to install.

Re: Update from the CEO

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Could be. Would be a great pick to drive Glass. Or build robots.

I was under the impression that Sergey was heading Glass.

Actually Babak Parviz (the original inventor) is leading the project, which I suppose reports directly to Sergey (https://plus.google.com/100149980664588993669/about)

Re: Update from the CEO

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Your slander against Rubin, that he was the major factor, is unsubstantiated. And your 'X' sentence makes no sense, it translates to "He thought nothing was secure", huh?

His attitude towards security is well known among those attempting to help make Android devices safe for people to use. His refusal to believe that a device could be both safe to use and popular or safe to use and useful has directly led to hundreds of millions of unsafe devices around the world.

He's not wrong. There's always a tradeoff between security and usability. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/security_vs_us...

The key is finding the right balance.

Re: Update from the CEO

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> But his insight immediately struck a chord because at the time it was extremely painful developing services for mobile devices. We had a closet full of more than 100 phones and were building our software pretty much device by device. It was nearly impossible for us to make truly great mobile experiences. This is highly ironic statement given that one of the biggest pain developers trying to build mobile experiences…

I think you are missing the point of Android. Android starts with the premise "fragmentation exists, how do we make the best of it?" and goes from there. The idea that every person on the planet is going to use the same phone with the same capabilities and the same size screen is a fantasy world iOS developers live in.

> The idea that every person on the planet is going to use the same phone with the same capabilities and the same size screen is a fantasy world iOS developers live in.

I was under the impression the problem with fragmentation was along software lines—i.e., not many people have the latest android, so people can't exploit it. Hardware is much easier to adapt to.

Re: Update from the CEO

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>At least on Android you can write one app and then tweak it to work on different devices, previously you had to write apps as different as Android/iOS/Windows for each device - and often individual manufacturers even had multiple platforms to write for. >So I think we owe Google some congratulations. Before Android, you could write a Windows Mobile app and have it run pretty much on every Windows Mobile device and t…

> Before Android, you could write a Windows Mobile app and have it run pretty much on every Windows Mobile device and the same with Blackberry and iPhones. Considering that Android pre-dates the iPhone (and thus iOS), the statement isn't accurate. This article cites 2004 and the iPhone didn't debut until the middle of 2007. It was indeed a nightmare, not only in the development process but in distribution. Good luck…

Note that 2007 is the iPhone's public debut. The project was started in 2004 [1]. Android the product was also announced in 2007, after the iPhone, although the project indeed started before the iPhone, in 2003 [2].

[1] http://readwrite.com/2012/08/07/4-real-secrets-weve-learned-...

[2] http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2005-08-16/google-buys-a...

Re: Update from the CEO

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post #103

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His attitude towards security is well known among those attempting to help make Android devices safe for people to use. His refusal to believe that a device could be both safe to use and popular or safe to use and useful has directly led to hundreds of millions of unsafe devices around the world.

He's not wrong. There's always a tradeoff between security and usability. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/security_vs_us... The key is finding the right balance.

Surely some security comes for "free". My iPhone has military grade encryption, but all I see is a 4 digit passcode. If I shut it off, however, and have the 10 max attempts, then it's virtually impossible to break in (without other data, e.g. smudges where the passcode numbers are).

In any case, it should be a tradeoff the user controls. People have drastically different needs, think OpenBSD versus Windows for a usability/security tradeoff.

Re: Update from the CEO

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post #134
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His attitude towards security is well known among those attempting to help make Android devices safe for people to use. His refusal to believe that a device could be both safe to use and popular or safe to use and useful has directly led to hundreds of millions of unsafe devices around the world.

He's not wrong. There's always a tradeoff between security and usability. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/security_vs_us... The key is finding the right balance.

You couldn't be more wrong and, unfortunately, I don't have the karma yet to enable downvoting :-). Easy example as long as we're on the topic, the Chrome browser or ChromeOS.

I can think of a dozen things that could be done to Android to both mitigate against current threats and exploited weaknesses and either not interfere with or improve user experience. Unfortunately, we are long past the point where fundamental architecture changes can be made to Android. We are stuck with a system that allows execution of downloaded code at runtime, that never updates, and that blames the user for security problems. Android would have been wise to adopt some of the best security decisions from iOS.

Re: Update from the CEO

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Andy Rubin was the major factor responsible for insecure Android devices. He thought it was impossible to be both secure and 'X' for any 'X'. Meanwhile, Andy Rubin's replacement is Sundar Pichai, SVP for Chrome and ChromeOS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai If you care at all about the security of Android mobile devices, this is probably a good sign. EDIT: I wonder if this helped move Andy out the door? htt…

Not to mention that Chrome has figured out how to push updates, while a majority of Androids are still running a version released over two years ago. If Google can start pushing auto-updates to all of its devices, that would be one of the greatest improvements ever made to Android. Also, one of Chrome's most touted features is performance, which has always been Android's weakest point. Hopefully he'll be willing to a…

The day Google auto-pushes a new OS to my phone is the last day I ever use any Android device. It is my device, not theirs, and I will decide when and if I will change its OS.

Re: Update from the CEO

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Since Sundar Pichai is the head of ChromeOS, perhaps this move is part of a larger move to unify Android and ChromeOS.

That's very likely the intention here. If not merging them fully then at least synergies between similar areas of the two and a merging of the app ecosystem of each.
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