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Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by anonymfus »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #21
afhof wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're spoiled with Flash's mature functionality. HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do. I always imagine what it would be like to try and convert a website thats is made up of almost all flash like Newgrounds over to HTML5. Until there is an easy conversion path, flash will live…

> HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do What? Data URIs, style and script tags.

This is a bad way because you loose semantic of file separation. Better way is MHT, but it was supported only in IE and Opera.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by webwielder »

cpeterso wrote: post #27
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nor Android (discontinued) or iOS (never existed).

Adobe had internal ports of the Flash plugin for iOS. Ironically, Apple assisted Adobe in the early porting work. However, Apple assigned the work to an "intern" and the code returned to Adobe was such crap that it didn't even compile. Coincidence or diversionary tactic by Apple? Suspicious Adobe people called this "Project Boomerang".

GIGO

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by huskyr »

afhof wrote: post #18
nivla wrote: post #11

As much as I want to be on the ditch Flash bandwagon, I can't. Reality hits hard, trivial things that gets done using Flash is impossible or requires a lot of workarounds when implemented in pure html/javascript. A few weeks back I was looking for a Javascript or HTML5 implementation for those bitly style "copy URL to clipboard" function. It just doesn't exist without flash (except in older versions of IE)! There are…

We're spoiled with Flash's mature functionality. HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do. I always imagine what it would be like to try and convert a website thats is made up of almost all flash like Newgrounds over to HTML5. Until there is an easy conversion path, flash will live…

  > HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash.
What are you missing? I've been working with HTML5 video/audio for a few years and features are on par now with Flash on all major browsers. It's a pity Firefox doesn't support H264/MP3, but that will change in the near future.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by robmcm »

cpeterso wrote: post #27
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nor Android (discontinued) or iOS (never existed).

Adobe had internal ports of the Flash plugin for iOS. Ironically, Apple assisted Adobe in the early porting work. However, Apple assigned the work to an "intern" and the code returned to Adobe was such crap that it didn't even compile. Coincidence or diversionary tactic by Apple? Suspicious Adobe people called this "Project Boomerang".

Do you have a source for this?

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by robmcm »

huskyr wrote: post #34
afhof wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're spoiled with Flash's mature functionality. HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do. I always imagine what it would be like to try and convert a website thats is made up of almost all flash like Newgrounds over to HTML5. Until there is an easy conversion path, flash will live…

> HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. What are you missing? I've been working with HTML5 video/audio for a few years and features are on par now with Flash on all major browsers. It's a pity Firefox doesn't support H264/MP3, but that will change in the near future.

I am guessing DRM

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by Samuel_Michon »

melling wrote: post #8
ghshephard wrote: post #2

Probably the saddest news I've heard all day. This gives web/application/browser developers yet another excuse not to move HTML standards forward to capture the flash functionality. I was honestly hoping that Microsoft would have put a stake in the ground regarding flash, and not carried it into their RT platform at the very least.

Not so sure about that. I think iOS and Google have over 90% market share in mobile.

I think you meant 'iOS and Android'. Google's phones have very little market share.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by robmcm »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #21
afhof wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're spoiled with Flash's mature functionality. HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do. I always imagine what it would be like to try and convert a website thats is made up of almost all flash like Newgrounds over to HTML5. Until there is an easy conversion path, flash will live…

> HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do What? Data URIs, style and script tags.

Google's closure tools can compile JS into a single file, and can also target runtimes to remove redundant code.

I imagine you could get away with a single html and js file.

Images could be converted to binary too in theory, I think the Cappuccino guys got something like this going.

Also check out the packaged files you create for Chrome store.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

robmcm wrote: post #38
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do What? Data URIs, style and script tags.

Google's closure tools can compile JS into a single file, and can also target runtimes to remove redundant code. I imagine you could get away with a single html and js file. Images could be converted to binary too in theory, I think the Cappuccino guys got something like this going. Also check out the packaged files you create for Chrome store.

You don't need a separate JS file, there are script tags.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by brokenparser »

huskyr wrote: post #34
afhof wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're spoiled with Flash's mature functionality. HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do. I always imagine what it would be like to try and convert a website thats is made up of almost all flash like Newgrounds over to HTML5. Until there is an easy conversion path, flash will live…

> HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. What are you missing? I've been working with HTML5 video/audio for a few years and features are on par now with Flash on all major browsers. It's a pity Firefox doesn't support H264/MP3, but that will change in the near future.

features are on par now with Flash on all major browsers

So can we publish an H.264 and Speex encoded stream using a local webcam as the source over WebRTC or RTMP in all major browsers yet?

Right, wake me up when they do.

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