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Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by nivla »

As much as I want to be on the ditch Flash bandwagon, I can't. Reality hits hard, trivial things that gets done using Flash is impossible or requires a lot of workarounds when implemented in pure html/javascript.

A few weeks back I was looking for a Javascript or HTML5 implementation for those bitly style "copy URL to clipboard" function. It just doesn't exist without flash (except in older versions of IE)! There are --webkit only implementations for grabbing things from a clipboard but not for pasting to it and I thought the former was more of a security issue.

Another thing I noticed is a smooth flash animation on my low powered Netbook looks like a jitter mess when implemented in canvas.

Until these issues are resolved, sadly flash isn't going anywhere soon.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by shanelja »

I'm not a big fan of Flash, but one thing which sticks out to me and tells me that Flash will still be around for a long time is pornography.

It might sound fairly ridiculous but one of the largest content and viewing blocks on the internet is porn [1] and what are most of these sites using? Flash players. it only takes a quick glance at some of the more popular google ranked websites (and the majority of people without a favourite site tend to just google their fetish of choice) to see how prevalent flash is in the industry: WARNING NSFW. [2] pornhub, [3] youjizz, [4] redtube, etc, and they all use Flash, every single one of them.

There may be a couple of fledgling HTML5 sites out there, but until porn ditches Flash for good, it isn't going anywhere.

[1] - http://onlinemba.com/images/internet-porn.jpg [2] - http://www.pornhub.com [3] - http://youjizz.com [4] - http://redtube.com

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by nwh »

nivla wrote: post #11

As much as I want to be on the ditch Flash bandwagon, I can't. Reality hits hard, trivial things that gets done using Flash is impossible or requires a lot of workarounds when implemented in pure html/javascript. A few weeks back I was looking for a Javascript or HTML5 implementation for those bitly style "copy URL to clipboard" function. It just doesn't exist without flash (except in older versions of IE)! There are…

> here are --webkit only implementations for grabbing things from a clipboard but

Seriously‽ That's crazy insecure, though I can't find any more information about it.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by joenathan »

Tangentially relevant, I wouldn't go near IE10 on the desktop, my Bowser of choice is Firefox there, but for touch IE10 is amazing. Swiping left or right brings you back or forward, being chrome-less and swiping down or up to bring up the chrome works wonderfully, I find myself trying to swipe left or right on my Android phone and feeling aggravated at the inconvenience of lack of gesture control.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by benologist »

joenathan wrote: post #15
benologist wrote: post #14

I think Ars just won the link bait title of the year.

How is that title link bait?

Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black [1], turns on [2] Flash almost everywhere

[1] did they just blacklist all Flash?

[2] another way of saying betrayed, attacked, etc

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by afhof »

nivla wrote: post #11

As much as I want to be on the ditch Flash bandwagon, I can't. Reality hits hard, trivial things that gets done using Flash is impossible or requires a lot of workarounds when implemented in pure html/javascript. A few weeks back I was looking for a Javascript or HTML5 implementation for those bitly style "copy URL to clipboard" function. It just doesn't exist without flash (except in older versions of IE)! There are…

We're spoiled with Flash's mature functionality. HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do. I always imagine what it would be like to try and convert a website thats is made up of almost all flash like Newgrounds over to HTML5. Until there is an easy conversion path, flash will live on.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by opayen »

randomfool wrote: post #9

Another effect of Sinofsky's departure from Microsoft. This was the topic of a very heated debate internally 4 years ago, allowing the whitelist itself was a massive cave-in by Sinofsky who had set a fairly hard line against all plugins. I'm hoping all of the jaded Windows decision makers who so adamantly wanted to ban Flash have been sufficiently spanked. That said, I do wonder how well Flash will work on 7" tablets…

Flash is not available on Windows Phone.

Re: Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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Post by joenathan »

benologist wrote: post #17
joenathan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that title link bait?

Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black [1], turns on [2] Flash almost everywhere [1] did they just blacklist all Flash? [2] another way of saying betrayed, attacked, etc

If you are familiar with the terminology the title is completely factual and not at all exaggerated or controversial.

A whitelist approach means only sites that have been specifically allowed(whitelisted) will be allowed to use flash, a blacklist approach means all sites will by default be allowed to use flash except those explicitly blocked(blacklisted).

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