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Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

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Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

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post #25

Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass whether they call it buying or licensing . I want to be able to resell my digital goods. This is what needs to be legislated. If a company wants to enjoy legal protection agains someone breaking their DRM, they must provide a way to transfer licenses. This should be the law.

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Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

#52
post #9

Imagine a country where all decisions are taken by the popularity of the issue....

Imagine a country where all decisions are made by the richest and most outspoken, where they can change the meaning of words on a whim.

Oh, wait, we don't have to.

Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

#53
Instead of changing the name, how about making sure licensed digital "goods" receive all of the legal protections afforded other goods: warranties, first sale, the whole package.

Those concepts have a legal origin because we believed consumers actually had some rights that you shouldn't be able to simply whisk away just because you are a more powerful negotiator. Apparently we decided those basic protections, enshrined by both code and common law, are overrated for an emerging sector of the economy. It was an odd conclusion, decided in a funny way where no citizen nor Senator ever cast a vote and where the open policy discussion on this core economic issue was muted and invisible.

It's time to stop pretending nothing changed.

The solution is a completely unsexy thing: we need to revise the classification of goods in the intro to the UCC, the "Universal Commercial Code," then get states to actually adopt it. We need to completely re-examine the way goods are distinguished from services at common law so that selling a piece of software with no support agreement is a good while mowing a lawn stays a service.

This isn't the moonshot of legal theory, we should be able to handle it without completely breaking society.

Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

#54

Instead of changing the name, how about making sure licensed digital "goods" receive all of the legal protections afforded other goods: warranties, first sale, the whole package. Those concepts have a legal origin because we believed consumers actually had some rights that you shouldn't be able to simply whisk away just because you are a more powerful negotiator. Apparently we decided those basic protections, enshrin…

The biggest hurdle might be finding some way to make the sharing of cheap or free software still viable, but this should be manageable. People are able to do favors for their neighbors like take their kids to school or shovel their driveways without facing crushing liability from service contracts. Surely we can find an out for shareware.

Or maybe I'm overly optimistic. Again, we'd have to roll up our sleeves and work this stuff out, but I don't put it out of humanity's reach to balance the freedom to share code against the right of consumers to resell digital goods.

Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

#55
Oooohhhhh - the laywers would love this, wouldn't they? If I see an ad for a book, should I expect the book to come with five paragraphs of "fine print" that explains "You aren't actually buying the rights to the book, you are just buying a copy of the book. You can't print your own copies, you can't blah blah blah." I know that books themselves have it but do you want every ad to have this as well? Silly.

Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

#56
post #39

Ugh. More laws to the fat stack. A)Don't buy B) Complain and criticize like hell. In the end it's the companies decision to fuck it up or not. Do we want to be more paying taxes so government can regulate buy vs licensing labelling...

Yes, That is one of the main functions of government.

Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

#57
post #33
post #9

Imagine a country where all decisions are taken by the popularity of the issue....

Imagine a country where decisions are made by consenting individuals and where the immediate reaction from someone seeing something they don't like isn't "the government should force them to stop doing whatever I don't like."

Imagine a world where 100% Beef Hamburgers are made from 25% diseased horse meat.

Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

#58
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel you are completely missing the point here. The point was that draconian licensing is draconian with or without enforcement (eg DRM). > I believe the presence of restrictive DRM could serve as a useful litmus test in gauging where on the scale such "licenses" to intellectual constructs fall and thus whether the term "buy" or "license" would be more appropriate. This is utterly false. You can't deduce anything a…

DRM is a set of technical policies: The user may install the software X times. Y users may use the software at once. This video stream will not decode properly without the private key embedded in chip ABC. This DVD will only play in DVD players that have region code Z. This game requires a persistent network connection in order to crunch game logic and stream assets. If these policies are not guaranteed to provide an…

If your complaint is that the presence of aggressive DRM means that the seller/licenser isn't really adhering to the stated or implied license, then the correct remedy still isn't to change the wording from "buy" to "license".

Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM is a set of technical policies: The user may install the software X times. Y users may use the software at once. This video stream will not decode properly without the private key embedded in chip ABC. This DVD will only play in DVD players that have region code Z. This game requires a persistent network connection in order to crunch game logic and stream assets. If these policies are not guaranteed to provide an…

If your complaint is that the presence of aggressive DRM means that the seller/licenser isn't really adhering to the stated or implied license, then the correct remedy still isn't to change the wording from "buy" to "license".

My primary concern with DRM is its anti-user behaviour, whether such an attitude is codified in the license or not. I believe it should not be allowed at all because I believe it violates natural rights that the users of software and hardware have. Setting aside the fundamental philosophy, I'd say I probably agree with you regarding the wording; namely, that the term "buying" must be removed needn't be the remedy. I think Algorias put it well by instead stating that the term "license" must be included in the marketing, whether one states "buy a license to this product" or else elects to shorten it to "license this product." In either case the licensed nature of the product is at least introduced, even if it doesn't come with "Defective by Design" warning labels.

Re: Require companies to use the term "licensing" instead of "buying" with DRM goods

#60
NYC has mandated that calories be printed on the menu in the same font size as the name of the product.

So here's a better idea for software sales:

For software licencing/sales, the terms and conditions of the purchase must be printed before the name of the product in the same font size as the name of the product. If buying a video game encumbers me with a clickwrap licence containing 17,000 words of dense legalese, then let them sell it on a box 300 ft tall.

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