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Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

#71

It's a little unnerving that large companies want control over some entire gTLDs. I wonder if Google will let iOS app developers have ".app" domains? I doubt it. For example, here are some relevant portions from Google's applications for the .app gTLD: (Note: Charleston Road Registry is a company wholly owned by Google.) The proposed gTLD will provide Google with direct association to the term ʺapp,ʺ which is an abbr…

Or whether Google would allow WordPress blogs to use the .blog domain? From what I recall, they intended to make .blog exclusive to BlogSpot.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

#72
post #29

Problem: The .com and similar namespaces are crowded. As someone who has been searching this weekend for a domain, the sad fact is that a huge number of domains are simply "Parked free, courtesy of ..." or "Coming soon", or "Under construction", or "This domain is for sale, please contact..." In short, domains are being bought up and not used, and the commons is ruined. Solution: Increase the price of .com and .net a…

>Solution: Increase the price of .com and .net and other tlds to approximately $X. I don't like it. Makes things more expensive for normal people. How about this: Impose a fixed $20,000 fee on the sale of an existing domain name. You can transfer for free if you like, but if you sell the domain then $20,000 is due immediately. Maybe make an exception if the sale is part of the sale of an entire business or other such…

That's just price control, which always works great in market systems. /sarcasm

If you did that, squatters would just lease out domains instead of selling. $20,000 to be listed as the whois contact on the domain? No thanks, just agree to point it at my DNS servers and you can keep ownership yourself. Or you know, take this gift of bitcoin in thanks for free transfer to me.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

#73
post #38

Franky, I don't see the point of this. It opens an all-new can of worms, just like allowing unicode in DNS, while being useless even for marketing purposes (people are used to sites being ".com" and suspect anything else). So ".com" is crowded. It would be much better if someone did something about squatters. So many parked domains and so little done about it...

I agree. I think a viable solution would be something like if you haven't done something with in 1 year then the domain becomes available. I personally hate getting an idea, checking through domains only to see someone waiting for someone else to purchase their domain that they bought for $10 bucks off godaddy.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

#74
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's difficult to draw a line between a dude keeping a list of movies he watched and a "This domain may be for sale, meanwhile search for shoes and mortgages" clone page. We shouldn't be afraid to call things out for what they are. The dude with the movie list is doing it because he enjoys it, so what if only a handful of people in the world ever read it. The clone squatter page on the other hand, provi…

Except for one thing. The "dude" with the movie page could be someone who fully intends to actually sell the domain when the right buyer comes along. People already do this type of thing. Put up a "kinda sorta page" that looks and quacks like a duck. Once again, how are you expecting this is going to get enforced exactly? As an aside buying and selling domain names is a valid business model and has been around for qu…

Most everybody here has likely had some kind of issue with domain squatters. Don't pretend it's a desirable business model.

Squatting is a valid business model, but so is selling child pornography, heroin, or human body parts.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

#75
post #38

Franky, I don't see the point of this. It opens an all-new can of worms, just like allowing unicode in DNS, while being useless even for marketing purposes (people are used to sites being ".com" and suspect anything else). So ".com" is crowded. It would be much better if someone did something about squatters. So many parked domains and so little done about it...

Parking is hard to fight. How do you define appropriate usage? Then, once you have, how do you deal with the services which will emerge to populate your domain while you squat?

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

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post #75
post #38

Franky, I don't see the point of this. It opens an all-new can of worms, just like allowing unicode in DNS, while being useless even for marketing purposes (people are used to sites being ".com" and suspect anything else). So ".com" is crowded. It would be much better if someone did something about squatters. So many parked domains and so little done about it...

Parking is hard to fight. How do you define appropriate usage? Then, once you have, how do you deal with the services which will emerge to populate your domain while you squat?

It's trivial to fight. Just raise the amount that the first-level registrar pays ICANN to something like $10/year. ICANN gets a huge pile of money and speculative domain squatting becomes, with rare exceptions, uneconomic.

Domains probably get more expensive for the rest of us, but I can live with that.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

#77
post #68

It's a little unnerving that large companies want control over some entire gTLDs. I wonder if Google will let iOS app developers have ".app" domains? I doubt it. For example, here are some relevant portions from Google's applications for the .app gTLD: (Note: Charleston Road Registry is a company wholly owned by Google.) The proposed gTLD will provide Google with direct association to the term ʺapp,ʺ which is an abbr…

The text you copied explicitly states that they would be opening this up to other platforms: and mobile applications on other platforms Not that I necessarily agree or disagree with the expansion of these TLDs, but Google is hardly the kind of bad actor I would worry about.

If you read the quoted sections further:

The proposed gTLD will provide Google and its Network with the ability to customize domain and website name application offerings to signal to the general population of Internet users that .app websites are indeed managed by Google. The specialization goal of the proposed gTLD is to extend the Google brand and reputation to each .app second-level domain. This specialization provides a mechanism by which Google and its Network can easily link and manage their applications and related services. This specialization makes it clear to Internet users that this is the authoritative and designated space where they can find Google’s and its Network’s applications offered in association with the Google brand and accessible via differentiated and streamlined web addresses.

So all .app domains would be Google branded? That hardly bodes well for "all mobile applications on other platforms".

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

#78
post #59

TLDs were originally going to communicate something to the user, they never actually did. Now they represent... how many wasted keystrokes per day? If Berners-Lee agonizes over the second slash after http, then ".com" has to be one of the biggest failures of usability in history. TLDs were designed by folks who guessed most of the internet would be used for governments and non-profits, and commerce would be this toke…

People that don't understand the DNS hierarchy (and history) are doomed to call things failures that were not, and doomed to find new ways to break DNS in the future.

I don't remember the bit in 882 where they said "typing characters that will be rendered vestigial in a few decades is a victory for usability," nor would it be true if they did.

I'm not saying we should return to hosts files, but that doesn't mean we can never do better.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And replace it with what? If everyone has to fight over a global namespace we just wind up with a different sort of problem.

I think the point of the comment you're replying to is that everyone is fighting over a global namespace now, but one that unnecessarily appends ".com" to everything in it. That interpretation might be overly colored by my personal view of things. However much I might be inclined to agree that we have a global namespace now, I can't agree that ".com" is 'one of the biggest usability failures in history'. The point ha…

a) That was indeed my point,

b) I was gilding the lily a bit, that's fair,

c) I remain skeptical the benefits exceed the costs, (given the viability of sites that don't end in ".com", and the fact no one's raising "lack of context" as a counterpoint to expansion of TLDs), but you make a provocative point. I could see it as an open question.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Solution: Increase the price of .com and .net and other tlds to approximately $X. I don't like it. Makes things more expensive for normal people. How about this: Impose a fixed $20,000 fee on the sale of an existing domain name. You can transfer for free if you like, but if you sell the domain then $20,000 is due immediately. Maybe make an exception if the sale is part of the sale of an entire business or other such…

That's just price control, which always works great in market systems. /sarcasm If you did that, squatters would just lease out domains instead of selling. $20,000 to be listed as the whois contact on the domain? No thanks, just agree to point it at my DNS servers and you can keep ownership yourself. Or you know, take this gift of bitcoin in thanks for free transfer to me.

>That's just price control, which always works great in market systems.

It's not a price control. Price controls are like minimum wage laws which regulate the price at which market participants can sell goods and services, and are generally broken because they lead to a shortage or surplus (depending on whether the price control is set higher or lower than the would-be market price).

This is effectively a tax. Taxes are an extremely effective method of behavior modification. Their primary economic consequence is to discourage the taxed activity, which is undesirable in the case of e.g. employment, but in this case is exactly the desired outcome.

>If you did that, squatters would just lease out domains instead of selling.

Are you serious? Nobody is going to lease a domain name, because the minute the lease expires after you've put all your marketing efforts into telling everyone what "your" domain name is and having them use it, the squatter could just raise the price by a factor of a thousand and have you by the short hairs. And a lease that allows perpetual renewals should be considered a constructive sale for the purposes of the fee and require immediate payment.

>Or you know, take this gift of bitcoin in thanks for free transfer to me.

That would be fraud and could be subjected to criminal penalties. Also, the fee would apply to the seller, so the non-repeat purchasers just buy the domain name pursuant to whatever covert payment method the seller is using and then report the squatter to the authorities which costs the squatter the $20,000 plus penalties and gives the buyer the satisfaction of sticking it to the jerks who were squatting on the domain they wanted.

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