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The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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"Silicon Valley loves to talk big about innovation; it's just not as good at following through." BS. Computing, Networking, Biotech, Internet, and more. Silicon Valley has delivered, and there is more to come. Not every new investment is going to change the world. But collectively, the track record is very strong.

You are aware that all the technology you mention was initially produced by government-funded research or research labs in monopolies (Bell), no?

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article makes that exact point: > Only governments had the long view and available cash to fund things like supercolliders, deep space programs and - oh yeah - the development of the Internet.

Thats not true. There was no long view government plan to create what we now call the Internet.

The whole point of blue-sky R&D funding is that you can't plan exactly what you're going to get out of it. Today DARPA is a bit more focused on practical application than it used to be, but it's ethos is still: "let's throw $10-30 million at a bunch of smart people and see what happens." The "plan" is to fund fundamental R&D and hope something really useful comes out of it. In that sense, the development of the internet was a fulfillment of that plan.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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post #7

"Silicon Valley loves to talk big about innovation; it's just not as good at following through." BS. Computing, Networking, Biotech, Internet, and more. Silicon Valley has delivered, and there is more to come. Not every new investment is going to change the world. But collectively, the track record is very strong.

Almost all the ones you listed have had a large role of the Government in play (ARPANET, DOD etc.. not to mention indirectly via research grants to universities). To claim that is all free-markets, and entirely done by 'innovative' private companies is at best a myopic view.

Just fyi, I truly believe in free-markets but I am willing to ack. that it rests on strong foundations in a 'common infrastructure', and with few exceptions, innovations entirely from private entities are limited.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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"That's fine, that's capitalism - and these incremental improvements lead to slow productivity gains that at least quicken the pulse of economists. But maybe let's drop the pretense that we're curing cancer unless, you know, we're curing cancer." Reasonable and astute point. "An Economist article this year exploring the state of innovation noted that centuries of scientific progress means it takes ever longer for peo…

Can you elaborate why that is ironic? Most of the basic science is funded by governments (throughout the world, not just the US). Isn't that supposed to be the role of government (funding research that has no immediate financial prospects)?

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article makes that exact point: > Only governments had the long view and available cash to fund things like supercolliders, deep space programs and - oh yeah - the development of the Internet.

Thats not true. There was no long view government plan to create what we now call the Internet.

But there were government plans to create telecom networks that ultimately led to the internet.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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post #13
post #7

"Silicon Valley loves to talk big about innovation; it's just not as good at following through." BS. Computing, Networking, Biotech, Internet, and more. Silicon Valley has delivered, and there is more to come. Not every new investment is going to change the world. But collectively, the track record is very strong.

Almost all the ones you listed have had a large role of the Government in play (ARPANET, DOD etc.. not to mention indirectly via research grants to universities). To claim that is all free-markets, and entirely done by 'innovative' private companies is at best a myopic view. Just fyi, I truly believe in free-markets but I am willing to ack. that it rests on strong foundations in a 'common infrastructure', and with fe…

And it's not limited to the US government.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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post #11
post #7

"Silicon Valley loves to talk big about innovation; it's just not as good at following through." BS. Computing, Networking, Biotech, Internet, and more. Silicon Valley has delivered, and there is more to come. Not every new investment is going to change the world. But collectively, the track record is very strong.

You are aware that all the technology you mention was initially produced by government-funded research or research labs in monopolies (Bell), no?

Yes very aware, and applaud the role of government in fostering innovation. IMHO we need more govt investment and industrial policy not less.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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"Silicon Valley loves to talk big about innovation; it's just not as good at following through." BS. Computing, Networking, Biotech, Internet, and more. Silicon Valley has delivered, and there is more to come. Not every new investment is going to change the world. But collectively, the track record is very strong.

do you really believe those things were created in or by silicon valley? Even beyond their public pasts, their early private champions like Bell Labs, BBN and IBM weren't from california nor private equity backed.

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Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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post #7

"Silicon Valley loves to talk big about innovation; it's just not as good at following through." BS. Computing, Networking, Biotech, Internet, and more. Silicon Valley has delivered, and there is more to come. Not every new investment is going to change the world. But collectively, the track record is very strong.

"Very strong" and "more to come"?

Pray tell, what in the following lists qualify as the sort of "big innovations" we're talking about?

[1] http://a16z.com/portfolio/

[2] http://firstround.com/companies/

[3] http://www.kpcb.com/companies

Don't get me wrong, these lists contain a lot of great products that I'm happy exist - but big and world-changing they are not. The fact that the typical SV VC scene funds one or two truly disruptive, technologically groundbreaking firms in a sea of other investments doesn't seem like a "strong track record".

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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post #9
post #7

"Silicon Valley loves to talk big about innovation; it's just not as good at following through." BS. Computing, Networking, Biotech, Internet, and more. Silicon Valley has delivered, and there is more to come. Not every new investment is going to change the world. But collectively, the track record is very strong.

do you really believe those things were created in or by silicon valley? Even beyond their public pasts, their early private champions like Bell Labs, BBN and IBM weren't from california nor private equity backed.

Well Xerox PARC was in Palo Alto, though Xerox itself is based on Rochester, NY. And Xerox was of course not a VC-backed company. Intel, however, was founded in Santa Clara and was VC-backed. Though your point is well-taken. I think big corporate R&D labs are responsible for far more of the innovation we see in the internet sector than VC-backed Silicon Valley companies.

If we're talking about narratives, indeed, the narrative that seems more prevalent is actually a big company that has a cash cow (e.g. Xerox with copiers, AT&T with the telephone network) having money to throw around at R&D activity.

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