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Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

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Post by wilfra »

OGinparadise wrote: post #20
wilfra wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

think about them like really expensive .com's and this will be easier to swallow. you can't get google.com or sex.com because they are taken - but you can get any other .com that is available. or you can get on somebody elses domain for free like .blogspot.com .wordpress.com .tumblr.com etc. there are a lot of reasons i don't like that ICANN is doing this but fear that these companies are going to employ abusive mono…

edit: his comment was edited after I typed mine and I'm too lazy to change it back and forth- for $1 million plus in costs. You are confusing the extension with a domain name. The point is not to have ONE company own and control an extension (like .com) and all the domains in it. ICAAN should control them and then allow people and corps to register domains within that extension.

I'm not confusing anything I'm trying to put it in terms you will understand.

One company does control .com right now, and .net. Their name is VeriSign. Just like VeriSign administers those, Google is going to administer .shop.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

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Post by netrus »

OGinparadise wrote: post #15
signed0 wrote: post #5

I somewhat doubt that most of these new domains will catch on. We already have .jobs, .aero, .travel and .mobi which I have yet to run into while browsing the web. Plus people have already gotten used to recognizing a domain name simply by having a string of characters followed by .com or one of the other popular TLDs. Trying to keep them from prefixing the domain with www has been a losing battle. I could see .app t…

Google has the clout to make it happen by favoring the domains they want to control on search. Others not so much.

This would get them into big troubles, at least in the EU.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

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Post by OGinparadise »

wilfra wrote: post #21
OGinparadise wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

edit: his comment was edited after I typed mine and I'm too lazy to change it back and forth- for $1 million plus in costs. You are confusing the extension with a domain name. The point is not to have ONE company own and control an extension (like .com) and all the domains in it. ICAAN should control them and then allow people and corps to register domains within that extension.

I'm not confusing anything I'm trying to put it in terms you will understand. One company does control .com right now, and .net. Their name is VeriSign. Just like VeriSign administers those, Google is going to administer .shop.

Wrong, they do not control anything, they administer it. I can register any .com that is free and Verisign cannot stop me. Google can refuse to allow anyone else from having televisions.shop or whatever.shop

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

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Post by [deleted] »

OGinparadise wrote: post #23
wilfra wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not confusing anything I'm trying to put it in terms you will understand. One company does control .com right now, and .net. Their name is VeriSign. Just like VeriSign administers those, Google is going to administer .shop.

Wrong, they do not control anything, they administer it. I can register any .com that is free and Verisign cannot stop me. Google can refuse to allow anyone else from having televisions.shop or whatever.shop

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Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

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Post by wilfra »

OGinparadise wrote: post #23
wilfra wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not confusing anything I'm trying to put it in terms you will understand. One company does control .com right now, and .net. Their name is VeriSign. Just like VeriSign administers those, Google is going to administer .shop.

Wrong, they do not control anything, they administer it. I can register any .com that is free and Verisign cannot stop me. Google can refuse to allow anyone else from having televisions.shop or whatever.shop

That's a theoretical problem that wont matter in practice. Google only has two practical options: they can make .shop completely open and operate it just like .co or .io, or they can lock it down and use it only for themselves, in which case it will essentially just be a vanity domain, not an extension.

If they choose the latter, just use any one of the hundreds of other extensions that will be available.

I hate that ICANN is doing this - but not because of some theoretical power it technically gives Google.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

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Post by brackin »

I think it'd be smarter to just add 10 - 20 new names for specific categories rather than an extension for every brand you can imagine ".apple, .amazon, etc". This could lower the resell price of the .com slightly and raise revenue. Like .co did but it wouldn't confuse the user heavily as this move feels like its changing everything.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

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Post by jimktrains2 »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #16
jpalomaki wrote: post #12

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I can imagine this could change in the future. Just a matter of educating the people and if companies of this scale decide to do it, they certainly have the resources. Incentive for corporates could be branding marketing. As we know, .com is crowded. Could be easier to push http://aging.beauty into peoples minds than some clever .com variation. Currently users solve the problem by using Google or Facebook, but that i…

>" Just a matter of educating the people and if companies of this scale decide to do it, they certainly have the resources." As others have pointed out, we've had things like "travel", "biz", "pro", "me", "mobi", etc for some time now. Not many legit sites operate under these, so I don't really think that these new ones have a big chance. Consumers are already confused about what "www" really is and there is a lot of…

me is actually the ccTLD for Montenegro.

Re: Stop Corporate Takeover of New Internet Names

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Post by ctoth »

Problem: The .com and similar namespaces are crowded. As someone who has been searching this weekend for a domain, the sad fact is that a huge number of domains are simply "Parked free, courtesy of ..." or "Coming soon", or "Under construction", or "This domain is for sale, please contact..." In short, domains are being bought up and not used, and the commons is ruined.

Solution: Increase the price of .com and .net and other tlds to approximately $X. End the domain squatting market and put the sort of implicit requirement that the domain must generate $X for you to want to hold on to it into the equation. Now, let's argue about where $X is.

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