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Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
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Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#42"By 2009 I was convinced that none of the existing free software communities could create an experience that could challenge the existing proprietary leaders," Shuttleworth wrote, "and so, if we were serious about the dream of a free software norm, we would have to lead." If Unity is the outcome of Canonical's lead, then I'm sorry to say that they're doing it wrong. I want you to download Ubuntu 10.04/10.10 and compa…
10.04 was definitely when it peaked, as far as I'm concerned.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#43"By 2009 I was convinced that none of the existing free software communities could create an experience that could challenge the existing proprietary leaders," Shuttleworth wrote, "and so, if we were serious about the dream of a free software norm, we would have to lead." If Unity is the outcome of Canonical's lead, then I'm sorry to say that they're doing it wrong. I want you to download Ubuntu 10.04/10.10 and compa…
Ubuntu 10.04 is infinitely better than 12.x and Unity. It blows my mind that anyone could think otherwise.
>I sincerely feel someone should take the 10.04 and spin it off into a new better OS, polish it and give it back to the community - If it's good enough, I won't even mind paying for it!!
Yes, 100 times yes. If I could get that OS with the 12.x patches and updates, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#44I'm not sure what it means for the Linux community that Canonical is doing this, but I do think they are doing the right thing for "Ubuntu" if they want to make it a more mainstream OS, and also an OS that works on mobile hardware, and it's fast and smooth.
If that means they have to break clean from a lot of legacy stuff, then so be it. Ultimately, I want a strong mainstream OS alternative to Windows - one that is popular enough and gets support from all major software vendors for apps. If Ubuntu got at least as popular as Mac OS, it would be amazing, and I don't really care what they have to do to get there.
I also hope this means they will make it dead-easy for developers, whether paid ones or open source volunteers, to make beautiful apps for Ubuntu/Linux. I hate how ugly and old Linux apps look. Absolutely hate them. And if that's happenig to me, then I can only imagine the reaction of "normal" PC users and how much of a turn off that must be for them, especially now when we're living in a time of iOS, Holo and Metro apps. Most of them would find the majority of Linux apps unacceptable.
If Canonical gives developers easy to use set of design resources and tools, then even open source apps for Linux or cross-platform won't have an excuse to not look beautiful anymore.
If Canonical manages to get chip makers to make unified drivers for Ubuntu/Linux/Android that would be an amazing feat as well, and something I wish Google tried from the beginning or was already working on. But I haven't seen any hints of that happening, unfortunately. So Canonical might be Android's last hope for that.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#45>Just roll your eyeballs at the 1337 crowd This is not leadership. If Mr. Shuttleworth truly wants to provide leadership for the FOSS community, then blaming people for disagreeing with him is not a good start and "my way or the highway" is not a sustainable model.
That's been the attitude at Canonical since they got into the game. Definitely not sustainable.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#46>Just roll your eyeballs at the 1337 crowd This is not leadership. If Mr. Shuttleworth truly wants to provide leadership for the FOSS community, then blaming people for disagreeing with him is not a good start and "my way or the highway" is not a sustainable model.
His leadership is to not listen to the opinions of ten thousand different people and to direct his team to develop their product as they see fit. If it fails Ubuntu will go away due to lack of any outside contributions or popularity. If it works he will be proven right.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#47Just in case anybody was still on the fence, Ubuntu has now officially jumped the shark.
Said it before, I'll say it again. They jumped it at 10.04. That was their last best, and the version I still often use if I do use Ubuntu.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#48I think we should take his advice. He says he doesn't want "leet" Linux users and we should go use something else, and many of us have been taking that advice all along.
Personally, I'm a Gentoo guy and have been for a while. Here are some great hacker distros that I love to use and contribute to:
Gentoo
Arch
Slackware
Debian
And for those who want a "user friendly" distro for their mom to try out:
Linux Mint
Yeah, I said it, I know it's not exactly popular but if you want to convert someone to a Linux user I think Mint is your best bet.
In the end, we still have a choice. Thanks Canonical/Ubuntu for bringing more users and development to the community, we'll just steer them towards something better when they're ready.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#49>Just roll your eyeballs at the 1337 crowd This is not leadership. If Mr. Shuttleworth truly wants to provide leadership for the FOSS community, then blaming people for disagreeing with him is not a good start and "my way or the highway" is not a sustainable model.
That's been the attitude at Canonical since they got into the game. Definitely not sustainable.
Why is that? I don't see any evidence of mass users leaving Ubuntu anytime lately. Only minor whining on nerd forums about the default desktop and other quibbles.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> I don't find Unity to be better in any meaningful sense than the "community-driven" GNOME 3 It's not better even in a meaningless sense. I just not that good. There are times when you stick to your idea long enough because you are passionately convinced about it and there are times when you stick to that idea because others said it was a bad idea, somehow they were true and now you do not want to accept it. Well,…
The HUD makes no sense on a desktop environment and since I have not tried it on a mobile device I cannot make a final judgement. My gut instinct is that the HUD will work on a mobile device and as the platform matures it will become better. Most people prefer Gnome3, let them use it with other distros. I feel the true battle for Canonical lies in mobile devices and being an entity which can stand up against all the…
"My gut instinct is that the HUD will work on a mobile device and as the platform matures it will become better."
I think you're right. Unity works great on a netbook, purely for consuming. Fine for a mobile device.
There used to be a Ubuntu 'netbook remix' which came with Unity (before it was the default), and it fitted there perfectly.
Canonical are hardly alone in betting the farm on mobile-like interfaces. MS are doing it with Windows 8, and some of OS X >= Lion's interface is only usable with a multitouch trackpad.
Whether they're right or not is open to discussion, but it's clearly happening.