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Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
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Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#12While the community is ready to dismiss anything Canonical does, they also seem to overlook the work Canonical has done. Unity is far from perfect, but it is functional. Also, the whole issue of inclusion of Amazon links could be solved with a single command, "sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping". And it's ridiculous that Canonical gets flak for trying out a new revenue stream (one that can easily be removed if i…
There is no way anyone could justify inclusion of Amazon ads. Creating backdoor for direct snooping by Amazon is just atrocious. That being said. In my personal experience Ubuntu has not been a community driven distribution for at least half a decade. Most community members spend their time justifying actions of Canonical and community leaders explaining and backing Canonical instead of representing community. I also think Mark Shuttleworth is a strong leader and visionary and while we discuss merits and demerits he might actually succeed in what he set out to be. At the end of the day, if we want to take Linux mainstream we have to start treating it as a product.
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#13Mark Shuttleworth may have good intentions at the basis, but he may also be overly ambitious. From there he may indeed be misguided in his daring and rather rash decisions. Mark may also be incapable of assessing first-hand what it all means in technical terms. Mark also seems to overestimate the real level of insight of his close technical advisers; who are the guys doing the real thinking for him. Mark also seems to substantially overestimate the true ability and aggregate capacity of his rather small team; which is supposed to make all of it happen. Mediocre results after mediocre results, we can indeed clearly discern in Mark a pattern of over-promising and under-delivering.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#14While the community is ready to dismiss anything Canonical does, they also seem to overlook the work Canonical has done. Unity is far from perfect, but it is functional. Also, the whole issue of inclusion of Amazon links could be solved with a single command, "sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping". And it's ridiculous that Canonical gets flak for trying out a new revenue stream (one that can easily be removed if i…
>Unity is far from perfect, but it is functional. If that's the best you can say about it, then Canonical failed.
Unity is functional — you can use it. Its problem is that it's designed to meet the needs of a mostly hypothetical group of people that Canonical hopes will want to use it someday. That's a long-term proposition, and a valid gamble to take — but I don't think it's going to succeed. More importantly for me, I don't care whether it does or not, because I'm neither Unity's nor Ubuntu's target market any more.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#15While the community is ready to dismiss anything Canonical does, they also seem to overlook the work Canonical has done. Unity is far from perfect, but it is functional. Also, the whole issue of inclusion of Amazon links could be solved with a single command, "sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping". And it's ridiculous that Canonical gets flak for trying out a new revenue stream (one that can easily be removed if i…
>Unity is far from perfect, but it is functional. If that's the best you can say about it, then Canonical failed.
It's leagues better than the train-wreck that is Gnome 3. It's functional and doesn't get in the way of my work. What more do I need it for?
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#16Complete linkbait title, a HN mod should change this. Typical of the Register.
It's worthwhile to read the actual post:
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1228
On the subject, I started to hear a lot of criticism of Canonical's Ubuntu efforts right around when Unity was first released. I just updated to 12.10 on my laptop a couple of weeks ago, and as one of the 31337 d00ds Mark speaks of, I was pretty confused -- everything was different! I didn't quite understand the point of the whole thing.
But I run a tiling window manager on a years-old Thinkpad without even a trackpad (trackpoint!). I'm a freak. And most of us here are.
Then the other day I picked up a new Macbook Air for some Mac-centric development work. And Unity completely clicked for me. If you look at the direction of OS X it's clearly converging with iOS. I right-swipe to get notifications! There's all these awesome gestures! My IM client shows my phone's text messages, for god's sake!
This is the kind computing experience normal people are expecting over the next several years, and in order for Ubuntu to fully realize its mission it needs to adapt. And it looks like they're doing a really good job. I mean, have you seen the Ubuntu phone videos? It looks really slick.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I don't like X about Ubuntu" -- Response from Ubuntu user: "It's easy; all you have to do is apt-get ..." "I don't like Amazon lens about Ubuntu" -- Response from fellow Ubuntu user: "Yea, this sucks, I think I'm not going to use Ubuntu anymore" I don't like Amazon lens either (there isn't even an Amazon.ro so it's mostly unusable for me), but they have to make money somehow.
>I don't like Amazon lens either (there isn't even an Amazon.ro so it's mostly unusable for me), but they have to make money somehow. Find another business model, this one sucks.
I know the parent comment will be downvoted, but I'll reply anyway. I'd like to hear how this "sucks". One could argue they may track you, invasion of privacy or that it's "just the beginning" and will lead to more adware. Those are what I'd call minor complaints. You can say you think it looks bad, or that it slows down your system, or that you'd would never use it. Those are even more minor as you can uninstall it in less words than your comment.
But think about this. Nearly everyone shops on Amazon. This is the easiest way to give money to support this OS. People all say "I'd pay for it" but that never works. Instead... going to buy something on Amazon? Use Unity, and support your OS. Dead simple, and you don't have to touch your wallet.
Re: Mark Shuttleworth: Canonical leads Ubuntu, not 'your whims'
#18Lol. Ubuntu is obviously doomed to fail. What technical genius would want to follow UNPAID another persons "Grand Vision" if that other person isn't an even greater technical genius?
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#19Yeah yeah, we get it. Canonical: "You guys hate Unity but we're really stubborn about it".
Keep trumpeting your crap then. Thankfully it's pretty easy for just about anyone to switch window managers (or Distro for that matter)
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#20This bit annoys me: "There are lots of pure community distro's. And wow, they are full of politics, spite, frustration, venality and disappointment," he wrote. They may be full of those things, sure, but at their best they also have quality, usability, flexibility, power, and beauty. I hope Canonical succeeds in making Ubuntu useful to people who would never have used it before, but I'm sad that that success — if it…
And without one of those spite-filled, frustrated, venal, political distributions, Debian, they could never have created Ubuntu.