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Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by mistermumble » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 3:57 PM UTC

ameen wrote: post #38

This whole episode has underlined a few major differences among developers and (current) designers. Developers are more open, contribute code and discuss about bettering each other. While Designers seem secretive, ego-filled and seeking pointless exclusivity. Eg: Developers: HackerNews / Github, etc Designers: DesignerNews / Dribble, Forrst, etc. Any designer that has been open about his work and process has become a…

Interesting distinction.

One related example is the sculpture in downtown Portland, Oregon, called Portlandia. The City owns the sculpture, but the artist owns the rights to any images of it, and he does not allow pictures to be taken and reproduced. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portlandia_(statue)

Regarding Jony Ive, I disagree that he has been very open about his work and process. I think he rightly has become a legend, but it has happened without him seeking the spotlight. The spotlight has found him, instead.

Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by jamesdelaneyie » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:00 PM UTC

ameen wrote: post #38

This whole episode has underlined a few major differences among developers and (current) designers. Developers are more open, contribute code and discuss about bettering each other. While Designers seem secretive, ego-filled and seeking pointless exclusivity. Eg: Developers: HackerNews / Github, etc Designers: DesignerNews / Dribble, Forrst, etc. Any designer that has been open about his work and process has become a…

The design world is heavily tied to fashion, trends and business, hence your idea of designers as secretive ego-guzzlers. The design world is open enough in certain areas, once you find them, on the surface from far away I understand why you have that image of the design world. Dribble and Forrst are circle-jerking hell holes. Critical discussion on design doesn't happen very well online, because, everyone thinks they're a designer. California University being a recent example. Design has a shit brand online unless you know where to look.

Bloody lol at your Dieter Rams, Jonathan Ive quip. They were famous before people asked them for their design values to big-up in the media.

But you raise a good point, the design world is very different to the developer world and hacker values could very well be valuable if implemented in the design world, just not sure how one would go about such things.

Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by jamesdelaneyie » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:07 PM UTC

bluekeybox wrote: post #40

ameen wrote: post #38

This whole episode has underlined a few major differences among developers and (current) designers. Developers are more open, contribute code and discuss about bettering each other. While Designers seem secretive, ego-filled and seeking pointless exclusivity. Eg: Developers: HackerNews / Github, etc Designers: DesignerNews / Dribble, Forrst, etc. Any designer that has been open about his work and process has become a…

Personally I think this takedown notice is questionable to say the least (it looks to be a case of inspiration rather than blatant copying), but here is my devil's advocate opinion on design: When you say that designers seek "pointless exclusivity", it's a lot like saying that hackers spend their time doing "pointless tweaking". Exclusivity is the currency of design. When you design something, and ten million people…

Exclusivity is the currency of the mainstream western world. Graphic Design (currently and in the past) is the vehicle through which this desire for exclusivity is encapsulated and pushed to the masses. The old graphic design title of Commercial Artist rings true here. Your point on originality is lost on me also, doesn't the startup world of all places say that even if people have done an idea, that you can add value in other areas?

Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by to3m » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:13 PM UTC

holms wrote: post #26

variousbagels wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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mate and that's actually DOES NOT changes his point =) grammar Nazies should stop reading hacker news

I suppose spelling it like that is how you work round Godwin's law.

Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by etchalon » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:16 PM UTC

ameen wrote: post #38

This whole episode has underlined a few major differences among developers and (current) designers. Developers are more open, contribute code and discuss about bettering each other. While Designers seem secretive, ego-filled and seeking pointless exclusivity. Eg: Developers: HackerNews / Github, etc Designers: DesignerNews / Dribble, Forrst, etc. Any designer that has been open about his work and process has become a…

This is the most ridiculous…

If what you were saying were true, there would be no tutorials on how to use Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. There would be no tutorials on how to create specific effects in the above. There would be no Noun Project. There would be no schools for Graphic Design. There would be no open source icon sets, or free typefaces.

Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by ameen » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:17 PM UTC

bluekeybox wrote: post #40

ameen wrote: post #38

This whole episode has underlined a few major differences among developers and (current) designers. Developers are more open, contribute code and discuss about bettering each other. While Designers seem secretive, ego-filled and seeking pointless exclusivity. Eg: Developers: HackerNews / Github, etc Designers: DesignerNews / Dribble, Forrst, etc. Any designer that has been open about his work and process has become a…

Personally I think this takedown notice is questionable to say the least (it looks to be a case of inspiration rather than blatant copying), but here is my devil's advocate opinion on design: When you say that designers seek "pointless exclusivity", it's a lot like saying that hackers spend their time doing "pointless tweaking". Exclusivity is the currency of design. When you design something, and ten million people…

It's funny that you actually say that "Exclusivity is the currency of design", while living in a well designed non-inclusive world (Well designed Signs, Roads, Cars, Mobile devices, etc).

Good Design will and always strives to be universal. It's funny that the recent Flat-design trend was triggered by Microsoft's Metro UI, which is inspired by Modern Cities' signage (universal design).

Also, isn't the point of icons to be iconic? How can one seek exclusivity over an icon, the Settings Cog, which is almost universally used.

LayerVault and the people behind it jumped at this for cheap publicity and to assert themselves over a new and upcoming design firm.

Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by baddox » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:19 PM UTC

ameen wrote: post #38

This whole episode has underlined a few major differences among developers and (current) designers. Developers are more open, contribute code and discuss about bettering each other. While Designers seem secretive, ego-filled and seeking pointless exclusivity. Eg: Developers: HackerNews / Github, etc Designers: DesignerNews / Dribble, Forrst, etc. Any designer that has been open about his work and process has become a…

That does seem anecdotally true in my experience. For example, I've heard an experienced designer argue that all the patent lawsuits between Apple/Google, Apple/Samsung, etc. are good for the industry and the design discipline.

Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by alexchamberlain » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:21 PM UTC

Not exactly the right solution to a DMCA takedown notice...

Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by Swizec » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:21 PM UTC

bluekeybox wrote: post #40

ameen wrote: post #38

This whole episode has underlined a few major differences among developers and (current) designers. Developers are more open, contribute code and discuss about bettering each other. While Designers seem secretive, ego-filled and seeking pointless exclusivity. Eg: Developers: HackerNews / Github, etc Designers: DesignerNews / Dribble, Forrst, etc. Any designer that has been open about his work and process has become a…

Personally I think this takedown notice is questionable to say the least (it looks to be a case of inspiration rather than blatant copying), but here is my devil's advocate opinion on design: When you say that designers seek "pointless exclusivity", it's a lot like saying that hackers spend their time doing "pointless tweaking". Exclusivity is the currency of design. When you design something, and ten million people…

> it's a lot like saying that hackers spend their time doing "pointless tweaking"

I'm a hacker and I think most hackers (including myself) often spend too much time pointlessly tweaking things.

Your emacs shortcuts are okay. Promise! Just get to work.

Your linux kernel is fine. Yes all the network drivers are configured well enough. Yes samba shares are working, yes rsyinc is copying stuff around. Just get to work.

Yes, X is perfectly configured and compiz is doing its thing. Yes it is! Just get to work.

I promise your IDE has the perfect amount of widgets in just the right place! Start coding.

And so on :)

Re: Flat UI, mirrored

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Post by stevenkovar » Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 4:26 PM UTC

ameen wrote: post #38

This whole episode has underlined a few major differences among developers and (current) designers. Developers are more open, contribute code and discuss about bettering each other. While Designers seem secretive, ego-filled and seeking pointless exclusivity. Eg: Developers: HackerNews / Github, etc Designers: DesignerNews / Dribble, Forrst, etc. Any designer that has been open about his work and process has become a…

"Any designer" is a bit of an overstatement, but your point about being open is true.

Designers at the caliber you speak of rely on, and can articulate, their (timeless) fundamental principles more than your average designer, who heavily relies on their moment in time where their work is relevant before fading into obscurity.