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Re: Linode Nextgen: The Network

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Post by wmf »

dangrossman wrote: post #118
windexh8er wrote: post #111

I'm actually most unimpressed with the vendor selection. So now Linode has Cisco overhead in their premium tier of hardware. Not good from a costing perspective. The Cisco Nexus line is hardly next generation when it comes to R&S product. Linode is in a position to seriously consider SDN and they shoot themselves in the foot with one of the most stagnant companies as it applies to new and innovative product for pushi…

Were they wrong when they said the Cisco product was the only one that could handle their routing requirements?

Yes. There are plenty of large data centers that are non-Cisco and I'm not aware of any performance requirement that can only be met by Cisco.

Re: Linode Nextgen: The Network

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Post by onetimecomment2 »

windexh8er wrote: post #111

I'm actually most unimpressed with the vendor selection. So now Linode has Cisco overhead in their premium tier of hardware. Not good from a costing perspective. The Cisco Nexus line is hardly next generation when it comes to R&S product. Linode is in a position to seriously consider SDN and they shoot themselves in the foot with one of the most stagnant companies as it applies to new and innovative product for pushi…

you're assuming they weren't already a cisco network before the announcement, which would disassemble your entire comment

Re: Linode Nextgen: The Network

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Post by lsc »

pavs wrote: post #10

I never quite understood the love for premium vps like linode (also remember slicehost?). If you check out lowendbox vps, their top-rated providers almost always beats linode (and alike) in almost all category you can think of. Its nice that they are now increasing the bandwidth cap, but it was on the low side to begin with. My takeaway from this is that "linode finally joins everyone else in network speed and bandwi…

>I never quite understood the love for premium vps like linode

This is true now (Linode is a premium vps provider) but it was not always true. Linode started out cheap, like almost everyone in our industry does. Linode was one of the first in the market; they've been selling VPSs longer even than I have.

>Its nice that they are now increasing the bandwidth cap, but it was on the low side to begin with. My takeaway from this is that "linode finally joins everyone else in network speed and bandwidth."

Eh, the way the industry works is that price pressure is applied by new entrants. Linode used to be that 'incredibly cheap provider' - but generally speaking? as you develop a reputation, you increase your resource allocations more slowly than moore's law would allow, and Linode has a pretty good reputation, so they get to charge substantially more than new entrants to the market.

So yeah, if the new entrants aren't a way better deal in terms of resources? something is terribly wrong (and that new entrant probably won't gain the traction they need to survive long enough to be able to let their prices rise to a higher margin level)

I mean, personally, I would think I have been letting my own prices rise (comparatively, I mean, by not increasing resource allocation) more than my reputation would allow me to... but I'm still gaining customers (though not at an awesome rate) - Linode announcing a network upgrade is putting /incredible/ pressure on me to upgrade my network. I can be okay with a new entrant flying below me, but Linode has a better reputation than I do; I have to provide more resources per dollar than they do.

Now, the big counterexample here is slicehost. Slicehost started out fairly expensive (compared to the industry standard at the time) and they went from zero to twenty thousand customers in like two years. It was incredible. I don't know exactly what they did, but they had a reputation for providing managed hosting level service for (premium) unmanaged hosting prices.

Now, how much of that reputation was marketing, and how much of that reputation was that their support really was that good, I don't know, but I do know that was their reputation.

Re: Linode Nextgen: The Network

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Post by zaius »

beachstartup wrote: post #104
zaius wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their support is quick, but they only solve the problem if it's easy. My linode IP ended up on an email block list because of someone else on the subnet. I was on vacation so I wanted a quick solution and I asked for an extra IP for a week. They wouldn't do for any amount of money. I had to set up an extra server and redirect connections instead.

this is because when an IP is blacklisted it's generally done in a contiguous block (subnet) that are probably shared by hosts on the same virtual lan (vlan). this is to prevent mailers from jumping to another ip on the same subnet. trunking an additional vlan into their virtual pool just for you would have constituted a major production change in probably 2 or 3 core switch layers. the operational risk and expenditu…

Interesting to know. I know nothing about the admin side of datacenters.

It was a whole subnet that was blacklisted. That said, they offered me a new IP from a couple different subnets as replacement, so I don't think it was too hard for them to do it. They would let me have an extra IP, but wouldn't let me run the two IPs concurrently for more than 24 hours.

This was especially frustrating since the subnet was blacklisted due to linode using generic PTR records by default. I needed a solution that didn't eat into my vacation time, so I ended up setting up a second server in the same datacenter and making it forward connections. That effectively got me a new IP for $20.

Just to be clear, I'm not complaining about it. I think they handled it fine. But I wouldn't hold them as some bastion of support perfection.

Re: Linode Nextgen: The Network

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Post by caf »

dangrossman wrote: post #118
windexh8er wrote: post #111

I'm actually most unimpressed with the vendor selection. So now Linode has Cisco overhead in their premium tier of hardware. Not good from a costing perspective. The Cisco Nexus line is hardly next generation when it comes to R&S product. Linode is in a position to seriously consider SDN and they shoot themselves in the foot with one of the most stagnant companies as it applies to new and innovative product for pushi…

Were they wrong when they said the Cisco product was the only one that could handle their routing requirements?

I can see how you read it that way, but that's not what they said. They said that the Cisco Nexus 7000 is the only Cisco device that could handle their routing requirements.

Re: Linode Nextgen: The Network

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Post by dangrossman »

caf wrote: post #127
dangrossman wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were they wrong when they said the Cisco product was the only one that could handle their routing requirements?

I can see how you read it that way, but that's not what they said. They said that the Cisco Nexus 7000 is the only Cisco device that could handle their routing requirements.

My mistake :)

Re: Linode Nextgen: The Network

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Post by antihero »

pavs wrote: post #10

I never quite understood the love for premium vps like linode (also remember slicehost?). If you check out lowendbox vps, their top-rated providers almost always beats linode (and alike) in almost all category you can think of. Its nice that they are now increasing the bandwidth cap, but it was on the low side to begin with. My takeaway from this is that "linode finally joins everyone else in network speed and bandwi…

The way I see it, if your business cannot take 512MB of RAM and a bunch of storage space, and fails to convert it into 20$ a month, or any amount where $20 a month is actually a factor, you have a shitty business.

Re: Linode Nextgen: The Network

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Post by antihero »

pavs wrote: post #10

I never quite understood the love for premium vps like linode (also remember slicehost?). If you check out lowendbox vps, their top-rated providers almost always beats linode (and alike) in almost all category you can think of. Its nice that they are now increasing the bandwidth cap, but it was on the low side to begin with. My takeaway from this is that "linode finally joins everyone else in network speed and bandwi…

The way I see it, if your business cannot take 512MB of RAM and a bunch of storage space, and fails to convert it into 20$ a month, or any amount where $20 a month is actually a factor, you have a shitty business.
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