This made me sad :-( I was dissapointed with my recent pay rise (+3%, 18months after the last rise). Maybe I didn't negotiate well but I was open and honest. I don't care if I'm paid more than my peers, or that there's no more money in the pot, it's still a shitty deal with no sweeteners. I guess that is what you get for being someone else's employee.
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#32Is it just me, or is it weird that this brand new blog (really just an advert for a writing company) has had 3 blog posts, all 3 have been submitted to HN (2 by the same person), and all 3 have gotten pretty high scores? The other 2 stories being: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5304317 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5292431 They must be good writers!
EwanToo I am the writer- those two guys just showed me the site. I used to blog on my company website (for like a month) but I quit because it never went anywhere- but when it gets posted here people talk about it- comment etc. made me want to write more.
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#33Is it just me, or is it weird that this brand new blog (really just an advert for a writing company) has had 3 blog posts, all 3 have been submitted to HN (2 by the same person), and all 3 have gotten pretty high scores? The other 2 stories being: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5304317 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5292431 They must be good writers!
Hate to do the grammar nazi here, but since the company seems to offer grammar editing, reading phrases like
This new method helped us to raise a more money in less time then normal boring pledge drives.
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#34Is it just me, or is it weird that this brand new blog (really just an advert for a writing company) has had 3 blog posts, all 3 have been submitted to HN (2 by the same person), and all 3 have gotten pretty high scores? The other 2 stories being: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5304317 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5292431 They must be good writers!
Hate to do the grammar nazi here, but since the company seems to offer grammar editing, reading phrases like This new method helped us to raise a more money in less time then normal boring pledge drives. doesn't lead to much trust in their skills...
Yea I don't make much money as an editor. see: http://www.articulateventures.com/thoughts-on-being-an-emplo...
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#35When I was negotiating my salary with my previous employer the only thing I asked for was more vacation time. They refused and instead offered me an extra $3000 so I could take unpaid time off. They ended up working me to the bone for 6 months then laid me off once the product shipped. Little things like this can really give you insight into how a company works. If a company is only willing to negotiate on money then…
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#36This story made me happy.
I took a negotiation class a few years ago running through some examples where each side had to negotiate X and got crib sheets talking about what were the different aspects of the negotiation and how much each aspect meant to each person.
We did the exercises and learned lessons but one thing I noticed was that if we threw out conventional negotiation tactics and instead just showed the other person what our value assignment to each aspect was we both ended up maximizing our utility from the negotiation event. So you would think that it would be great to just be an open book when entering a negotiation right?
The problem is that as soon as one person hides any information then the trust factor that makes this work is broken. And for whatever reason (pride or lack of authority) this happens all the time in real life.
That's why I liked this story. Apparently both parties came to the table open and honest about what they wanted and the outcome I thought was favorable to both parties.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hate to do the grammar nazi here, but since the company seems to offer grammar editing, reading phrases like This new method helped us to raise a more money in less time then normal boring pledge drives. doesn't lead to much trust in their skills...
Yea I don't make much money as an editor. see: http://www.articulateventures.com/thoughts-on-being-an-emplo...
That's an interesting article, thanks. And I'd like to say that I did enjoy your first article too, and that I was willing to overlook the tiny details... until I came here and saw that writing (and more than writing - grammar editing) was your core competency.
But I'm curious then: do you currently do the grammar editing yourself (in your "Fixer" package)?
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#38Great article.
It bothers me that people think like this:
> I was already getting paid almost as much as people who had been on staff for many more years than me.
Salary should be based on performance and expertise, not how many years you've been sitting in a seat.
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#39When I was negotiating my salary with my previous employer the only thing I asked for was more vacation time. They refused and instead offered me an extra $3000 so I could take unpaid time off. They ended up working me to the bone for 6 months then laid me off once the product shipped. Little things like this can really give you insight into how a company works. If a company is only willing to negotiate on money then…
I'll play devil's advocate here: making special deals on benefits other than salary is a land mine. Everyone is used to the fact that people are paid differently, but people are used to uniform benefits (all you out there: please don't call out your exception to the rule... it really is generally a rule). It's likely to have a negative effect or morale, whereas giving you more salary won't. (Yes, people find out these things.)
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#40I think many successful people and organizations take a similar approach all around. Is your baseball team underfunded compared to others? Use the lowered expectations to test theories and find market innefficiencies. Are customers are worried that our company is too small? We'll give you the email address of the CEO if you have a problem. Don't have any money for raises? Offer employees special deals that no larger…
It's more than just finding your weak points, it's about creative solution finding that resonates with both parties. If Brenda had offered the author unlimited mountain biking time, the author might have left the station.