Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)
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Re: Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)
#12No, because, the eagles would have been possessed by the ring.
How does a giant eagle physically put on a tiny ring
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#15I wonder how much of the thematic blindspot had to do with the technology of the day? The books were reportedly started on soon after The Hobbit (1939ish), before flight was the dominant theater for war. Even though the books were not published until after WW2, when aerial warfare became the new front of war, it seems that Tolkien's main experience in war was the hideous ground fighting in WWI, and he himself rebuffe…
Re: Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)
#16No. Because: http://oglaf.com/ornithology/1/
Re: Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)
#17Of course, here's the "LoTR alternate ending : Eagle version" ; ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh06CoC7th8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU
I recommend basically all the 'How It Should Have Ended' videos.
Re: Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)
#18Hah, I've always wondered about this myself too. The visual of the eagles carrying Frodo away from Mt. Doom makes brings the inconsistency I'm even starker contrast in the final movie.
Re: Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)
#19[spoiler alert just in case] The one I like the most is the topic of why Frodo fails. When Frodo reaches Mt Doom he finally loses himself to the power of the ring and proclaims himself its master. This is both a product of his character growth and his proximity to Sauron. In the words of Tolkien:
> If you re-read all the passages dealing with Frodo and the Ring, I think you will see that not only was it quite impossible for him to surrender the Ring, in act or will, especially at its point of maximum power, but that this failure was adumbrated from far back.
In the books Gollum falls into the volcano almost by chance, as if there was an invisible (rethorical) hand pushing him. In the movies Jackson just had to add the literal cliffhanger because it's Hollywood. But Gollums fall in the light of Frodo's failure expresses Tolkien's philosophy:
> There exists the possibility of being placed in positions beyond one’s power. In which case (as I believe) salvation from ruin will depend on something apparently unconnected: the general sanctity (and humility and mercy) of the sacrificial person. I did not “arrange” the deliverance in this case: it again follows the logic of the story. (Gollum had had his chance of repentance, and of returning generosity with love; and had fallen off the knife-edge).
You can read Tolkiens letters on the topic here: http://www.sheilaomalley.com/?p=334. I think there's a published book with all his letters to readers.
Re: Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor? (2000)
#20It's funny to think that we'd never have this conversation if there had been a line like, "for Sauron can sense the great power of the eagles as they approach Mordor." The fact that fans long for "canonical" answers when there are none is a testament to great writing.