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Re: Tern – Intelligent JavaScript editing

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Post by pfraze »

marijn wrote: post #37
antirez wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean that from my point of view "gimme money if you want that open sourced" is very bad approach. Either build your closed source business, or try to earn from an open source product to pay the bills. 1) What is the current state of the source code? It could be a mess. 2) The value of open source is mostly in continued developments, support, community, not just in releasing the code itself. 3) If you have this mind…

As for trust, the JavaScript community knows me as the maintainer of CodeMirror, and apparently likes the way I'm handling that project. This seems to lead people to believe that I won't deliver a horrible mess, and that I won't try to rip them off after the fact. Starting up a project with a crowd funding does not make it impossible to later fund continued maintenance by selling support and such. It is a way in whic…

I agree that trust is not at stake, but the implication bothers some people because it cuts against the culture of OSS (rightly or not). You may just be one of the early pushers of a profit model that hasn't had time to normalise. I'll be interested to see.

EDIT: cut down for brevity

Re: Tern – Intelligent JavaScript editing

#43

Post by kayoone »

gngeal wrote: post #29
kayoone wrote: post #23

It might sound like an abomination, but Visual Studio is apart from obv. being excellent in C++/C# also a very pleasant IDE for Javascript, Python or even PHP! In fact i have been an "texteditor-only" type in the past, but coding C# in Visual Studio has really been a revelation for me.

"In fact i have been an "texteditor-only" type in the past, but coding C# in Visual Studio has really been a revelation for me." The fact that application X is "just a text editor" is not a justification for X having poor editing functions. In fact, you'd expect a specialized text editor to have better editing functions that an IDE, since an IDE can have other selling points, such as an integrated build system, a ver…

Yep you are right, i meant this more in a way of working style. In the past i thought its the best approach to only use a text editor and do everything by hand, know your Code, work like a pro etc. But just simple things in VS like "Jump to Definition" or "Find Usages" combined with powerful IntelliSense and Refactoring functions is such a joy to use. I didnt even talk about the debugging tools, but well i am an IDE guy now, at least for large projects.

Re: Tern – Intelligent JavaScript editing

#44

Post by kayoone »

antirez wrote: post #33

"Tern is not currently open source. I'd like it to be, but I have to pay my bills. So I'm running a crowd-funder where interested parties can pledge money. If successful, Tern will be released under an MIT license." Very odd model... take your code.

Your development of Redis is sponsored by VMWare afaik (which is awesome and so is redis), so whats wrong with crowd-sponsoring this guy ?

Sure it might be a trust issue, and it might be better to release the code first and then ask for money, but as it looks this guy has a good reputation in the community so i dont see too much of a problem.

Re: Tern – Intelligent JavaScript editing

#46

Post by antirez »

kayoone wrote: post #44
antirez wrote: post #33

"Tern is not currently open source. I'd like it to be, but I have to pay my bills. So I'm running a crowd-funder where interested parties can pledge money. If successful, Tern will be released under an MIT license." Very odd model... take your code.

Your development of Redis is sponsored by VMWare afaik (which is awesome and so is redis), so whats wrong with crowd-sponsoring this guy ? Sure it might be a trust issue, and it might be better to release the code first and then ask for money, but as it looks this guy has a good reputation in the community so i dont see too much of a problem.

I talk from a general point of view of my ideas, not as the Redis developer. Anyway for 1 year I worked at Redis for free, and it was open source since day 0.

Re: Tern – Intelligent JavaScript editing

#47

Post by antirez »

pfraze wrote: post #41
marijn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As for trust, the JavaScript community knows me as the maintainer of CodeMirror, and apparently likes the way I'm handling that project. This seems to lead people to believe that I won't deliver a horrible mess, and that I won't try to rip them off after the fact. Starting up a project with a crowd funding does not make it impossible to later fund continued maintenance by selling support and such. It is a way in whic…

I agree that trust is not at stake, but the implication bothers some people because it cuts against the culture of OSS (rightly or not). You may just be one of the early pushers of a profit model that hasn't had time to normalise. I'll be interested to see. EDIT: cut down for brevity

The point is, this is not a model at all IMHO, since a model requires the ability to work in the long run.

So you know wrote code for 1 month, and you want to be crowdsourced. Ok, what's the plan for the continued development of the project? Code as it is is worth zero without bugfixes, evolution, and a community.

Re: Tern – Intelligent JavaScript editing

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Post by marijn »

antirez wrote: post #47
pfraze wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that trust is not at stake, but the implication bothers some people because it cuts against the culture of OSS (rightly or not). You may just be one of the early pushers of a profit model that hasn't had time to normalise. I'll be interested to see. EDIT: cut down for brevity

The point is, this is not a model at all IMHO, since a model requires the ability to work in the long run. So you know wrote code for 1 month, and you want to be crowdsourced. Ok, what's the plan for the continued development of the project? Code as it is is worth zero without bugfixes, evolution, and a community.

A) I have written some software

B) I'm debating whether to take the OSS or commercial route, since I do need money to live

C) I have a reputation for maintaining software in a serious way

So I'm asking people "If this is worth 10k to you, let's go the open-source route". So far, it looks as if it is worth that to people. Unless I'll turn around and act like a complete bandit, destroying my reputation, the model works. It does require the reputation part, I guess. But I'm quite puzzled why you are so hostile to it.

Re: Tern – Intelligent JavaScript editing

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Post by gruseom »

marijn wrote: post #26
kayoone wrote: post #23

It might sound like an abomination, but Visual Studio is apart from obv. being excellent in C++/C# also a very pleasant IDE for Javascript, Python or even PHP! In fact i have been an "texteditor-only" type in the past, but coding C# in Visual Studio has really been a revelation for me.

I know. I was blown away by VS when I was researching what others were doing in this space. Their approach is also very clever -- there's an interesting talk about it at http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/TechEd/NorthAmerica/2012/DEV...

Care to mention what you found clever in their approach?

Re: Tern – Intelligent JavaScript editing

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Post by hderms »

kayoone wrote: post #44
antirez wrote: post #33

"Tern is not currently open source. I'd like it to be, but I have to pay my bills. So I'm running a crowd-funder where interested parties can pledge money. If successful, Tern will be released under an MIT license." Very odd model... take your code.

Your development of Redis is sponsored by VMWare afaik (which is awesome and so is redis), so whats wrong with crowd-sponsoring this guy ? Sure it might be a trust issue, and it might be better to release the code first and then ask for money, but as it looks this guy has a good reputation in the community so i dont see too much of a problem.

do you really think these two projects are comparable, or for that matter, that their code-licensing models are comparable?
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