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GoPro Evolution: From 35mm Film To America's Fastest-Growing Camera Company

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Re: GoPro Evolution: From 35mm Film To America's Fastest-Growing Camera Company

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The competition for the GoPro isn't cellphones. It's Google Glass.

It's neither probably. Their competition is other "action" cameras within more convenient packages. Luckily for GoPro they still excel in video quality (in their category).

Then you would need a waterproof and shockproof cell smart phone?

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I'm really impressed by the timeline on the article. Appears to be implemented with https://github.com/athletics/infostory ; anybody know if this was this custom made just for Forbes, or even just for this article? Seems like a ton of effort for a small detail, but it really enhanced the article for me. Edit: Better googling yields this article which talks a little bit about the timeline, so definitely not just for t…

Oh, yes, please. I really love this, that would open up so much possibilities for storytelling.

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Yes, that's true, but when camera phones will be as good as e.g. Canon 5D Mark iii (and they will, relatively soon even) then that quality will be good enough for practically everyone. At that point only professionals need better quality.

How does this prediction jibe with the statement that a larger sensor will always be beneficial, especially in low light? Will smartphones be able to include much larger sensors in the future? Is there some new physics that obviates the need for a large sensor? The 5D Mark III has > 24x the sensor area of an iPhone 5, and most smartphones are even worse off [0] [1] [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_large_senso…

>How does this prediction jibe with the statement that a larger sensor will always be beneficial, especially in low light?

Even though larger sensors will be beneficial, at some point the small sensor will be good enoug for 99% of consumers, though professionals will still prefer the larger sensor.

>Will smartphones be able to include much larger sensors in the future?

Perhaps, like Nokia pureview did - however that phone is slightly larger than the average smartphone.

>Is there some new physics that obviates the need for a large sensor?

No, but technology will advance so that small sensors will be sufficiently good to 99% of consumers. There's progress in sensor technology ever year. There's also progress on the processor side, which has been/is apparently a bottleneck, as new processors in DSLR cameras enable better image quality (take for example DIGIC processors).

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There is always going to be a significant low light advantage to having a larger lense and sensor. Add a mourning bracket / wrist strap, improved noise reduction and there is only so close a camera phone can get.

Yes, that's true, but when camera phones will be as good as e.g. Canon 5D Mark iii (and they will, relatively soon even) then that quality will be good enough for practically everyone. At that point only professionals need better quality.

The Sony RX1 shows how small you can get today for a full frame sensor, but the size of the lens is pretty big, because of the physical limitations of optics.

I have a 5D Mark III and there is a huge difference in quality with my iPhone 5. I can put on a f1.2 lens on the 5D and get amazing autofocus accuracy with a depth of field (DOF) of millimeters in low light and get an amazing shot at ISO 10,000. The phone is impressive for what it is but the autofocus doesn't have to do much because the DOF is so big. If you have a bigger sensor and more megapixels you need a good quality lens and good autofocus.

On the other hand GoPro have a pretty good quality output where big DOF is a good thing and they focus on high frame rate video for action. I would love if my phone had better image stabilization (e.g. Luma app) and went up to 120fps at full HD. That would be achievable soon.

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The key to GoPro is content. As the saying goes, "Content is King". Camera Phones just do not create contact, "on Par" with a goPro generally speaking. Think of your average Camera Phone user, and average Gopro user... The average content generated from the goPro, although - probably not impressive like the footage you see in the adverts, is still going to be superior to average content from a phone camera. Naturally…

Absolutely, I built a passion project a couple of years ago because I found so many amazing videos I wanted to share. They just all happened to be GoPro ones! http://goproheroes.com/gopro-hero3-black-edition-smaller-lig...

It's also worth mentioning they are the only company I know that gives away everything they sell to one lucky winner every single day!

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There is always going to be a significant low light advantage to having a larger lense and sensor. Add a mourning bracket / wrist strap, improved noise reduction and there is only so close a camera phone can get.

Yes, that's true, but when camera phones will be as good as e.g. Canon 5D Mark iii (and they will, relatively soon even) then that quality will be good enough for practically everyone. At that point only professionals need better quality.

I don't see how a camera phone will be as good as a 5D Mark3 anytime soon. I mean, phones don't have focusing! Not to mention a sensor that is maybe a tenth the size?

I love me my iPhone 5 but unless you want a phone the size of a 1980s one, there are physical limitations. Try photographing a soccer play from the sideline or getting a shallow depth of field with a phone, things you pay thousands for a full frame SLR for.

Now, as good as a good point and shoot soon? And better because its Always in your pocket and connected? I'll buy that.

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That is, if Google Glass is waterproof/shockproof etc Oh and GoPros are not only tied to a person, but often tied to objects (like bikes, airplanes, boats, etc)

Yup. You can't take 6 Google Glasses and suction-cup them all over a car.

Can't take google glass in the surf. Have lost goggles that I put on under a swim cap! Let alone surfing.

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Yes, that's true, but when camera phones will be as good as e.g. Canon 5D Mark iii (and they will, relatively soon even) then that quality will be good enough for practically everyone. At that point only professionals need better quality.

I don't see how a camera phone will be as good as a 5D Mark3 anytime soon. I mean, phones don't have focusing! Not to mention a sensor that is maybe a tenth the size? I love me my iPhone 5 but unless you want a phone the size of a 1980s one, there are physical limitations. Try photographing a soccer play from the sideline or getting a shallow depth of field with a phone, things you pay thousands for a full frame SLR…

iPhone 5's camera is probably comparable to a 10-year-old DSLR.

It's true that DSLR cameras have many advantages compared to smart phones, but I was talking about image quality. Professionals and hobbyists will buy the DSLR instead of shooting with a camera phone, but this doesn't apply to your average consumer.

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I'm really impressed by the timeline on the article. Appears to be implemented with https://github.com/athletics/infostory ; anybody know if this was this custom made just for Forbes, or even just for this article? Seems like a ton of effort for a small detail, but it really enhanced the article for me. Edit: Better googling yields this article which talks a little bit about the timeline, so definitely not just for t…

Hi, I'm one of the partners at Athletics. We originally developed the timeline custom for Forbes and have wanted to push this a bit further at some point, hence the repo. Really glad you liked it.

Where credit's due: The Forbes team developed the GoPro feature using our toolkit as a starting point. (We did the timeline in Lewis D'Vorkin's post that you referenced.)

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