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The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by ZoFreX »

driverdan wrote: post #17
ComputerGuru wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my top-level comment. * Graphics issues are fixed in 10.8.3 (still in beta). It appears that the drivers have been rewritten from scratch, this was the worst beta seed series I can recall for any OS X release, ever, with new seeds days apart, seeds that were completely broken, kernel and graphics driver instabilities, etc. The latest seed is much improved and should address this issue. * LG panel ghosting: I had…

Apple's DACs have hissed for a long time. My 2010 MBP had the same problem. They just use shitty DACs.

My 2011 MBP also hisses clicks and pops, but tbh it's no different to the audio on any other laptop, or the integrated audio on most desktops.

Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by YPetrov »

pinaceae wrote: post #54

just to add a counterpoint to this classic everything sucks on the internet thread: no issues at all with a 13" 2012 MBAir. best machine I've ever owned, had Lenovos in the past. Last Thinkpad bluescreened sometimes when connecting a USB headset. The Air? Nothing has brought it out of step so far, which for a former Windows user, is simply amazing.

Same here, tried reproducing the issue without any success. Also, I can express the same feelings towards my 13" 2012 MBA - best machine I've ever had.

Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by kalleboo »

driverdan wrote: post #17
ComputerGuru wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my top-level comment. * Graphics issues are fixed in 10.8.3 (still in beta). It appears that the drivers have been rewritten from scratch, this was the worst beta seed series I can recall for any OS X release, ever, with new seeds days apart, seeds that were completely broken, kernel and graphics driver instabilities, etc. The latest seed is much improved and should address this issue. * LG panel ghosting: I had…

Apple's DACs have hissed for a long time. My 2010 MBP had the same problem. They just use shitty DACs.

The problem I'm having with the retina isn't just hissy/poor quality. The audio literally cuts out or lags for a fraction of a second, causing very audible crackling. First time it happened I thought I had ripped a CD incorrectly, it sounds like a CD with scratches in it. And it disappears when you disable the intel integrated graphics and switch to the nVidia.

Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by stinos »

robotmay wrote: post #57
ComputerGuru wrote: post #7

The 2012 15" rMBP had considerable bugs in the SMC and UEFI that took half a dozen firmware updates, several dozen OS X seeds, and the better part of a year to resolve. I had a particularly nasty bug where any time I unplugged my Mac from the charger, 5 seconds later it would go to sleep though it was still open and I was actively using it . You'd have to shut the lid and re-open it for it to wake again. I also had t…

I've also noticed a significant down-turn in production quality from Apple in the past few years. I have a G4 iBook sat in a cupboard which will still boot up without a single issue (not even any dead pixels), but my 2010 MBP had some weird issues (like the case erroding). And my partner's 2009 MacBook has pretty much been entirely replaced. New HD, new screen, new motherboard, new case. These days I would never reco…

same here.. 2009 MBP, screen replaced, motherboard replaced, swollen battery and after 3.5 years wouldn't boot anymore so I gave up on it. Must be bad luck but considering the price paid (and imagining what I would have paid if not having had the extended warranty) this wasn't exactly a nice experience with Apple and not in line at all with their commercials / global idea people have about it.. Esp. since it was my first product from them.

Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by gambiting »

My friend got incredibly excited about the Retina MacBook and ordered one on the day of release. He has already been through seven of them. Yes - seven. And it wasn't even the screen each time - loose hinge, broken keyboard, SSD died.....you would have thought that in a machine for so much money they would've sorted this out.

Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by McP »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #7

The 2012 15" rMBP had considerable bugs in the SMC and UEFI that took half a dozen firmware updates, several dozen OS X seeds, and the better part of a year to resolve. I had a particularly nasty bug where any time I unplugged my Mac from the charger, 5 seconds later it would go to sleep though it was still open and I was actively using it . You'd have to shut the lid and re-open it for it to wake again. I also had t…

Yep, I'm not too impressed when my 2010 MBP occasionally electrocutes me. Once through my earplugs which was particularly unpleasant.

Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by nwh »

saurik wrote: post #50
nwh wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> overheating G4 Cubes I'm not sure that anybody ever had that issue. Mine has been in constant use since it's purchase, and it's never once had overheating issues, even in 40c+ ambient temperatures. Even if it did, there's a dandy little slot in the bottom for adding a fan if you choose.

http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow/story/294758/10-gadgets-we-co... > It had some major overheating issues that produced miniscule cracks in its porcelain body. Another major flaw was that it didn't have a fan, so users had to shutdown every so often and let the vent breathe. Apple stopped selling the Cube within a year of its release.

I don't believe the "shutting down" bit. My stock Cube runs constantly, shuffling backups, processing logs and performing health checks. It's uptime is around 4 months now, and was almost 2 years before I moved to a new apartment.

Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by nwh »

coldtea wrote: post #60
nwh wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> overheating G4 Cubes I'm not sure that anybody ever had that issue. Mine has been in constant use since it's purchase, and it's never once had overheating issues, even in 40c+ ambient temperatures. Even if it did, there's a dandy little slot in the bottom for adding a fan if you choose.

> I'm not sure that anybody ever had that issue. It probably didn't affect all production runs of the Cube, but still lots of people had them, search "g4 overheating" for some examples. There were a lot more complaints back in the day. Note that "overheating" doesn't necessarilly mean "shuting down".

I think that's the distinction. They get warm but certainly don't overheat. The only one I've seen with heat problems had a dual core 1.2gHZ CPU retrofitted. Undesirable to the point that half the heat sink had to be filed away to make it fit.

Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by jfb »

meaty wrote: post #30

This doesn't surprise me at all. I've had so much Apple kit pack in on me it's unreal. It got to the point I dumped it all and switched to a 5 year old Lenovo unit which has been flawless. While they look pretty, I'm not sure the engineering is sound or you're getting good value for money.

My anecdote masquerading as evidence: I have not had problems since the original two generations of Intel laptops. I think the engineering is great!

Re: The early 2013 retina MBP 15” have faulty firmware/hardware

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #7

The 2012 15" rMBP had considerable bugs in the SMC and UEFI that took half a dozen firmware updates, several dozen OS X seeds, and the better part of a year to resolve. I had a particularly nasty bug where any time I unplugged my Mac from the charger, 5 seconds later it would go to sleep though it was still open and I was actively using it . You'd have to shut the lid and re-open it for it to wake again. I also had t…

My 2012 rMBP seems to freeze for 5-10 seconds occasionally. dmesg has logs of the graphics driver complaining about a possible hang. We're definitely on the bleeding edge here :(
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