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Adderall Addiction: The Last All-Nighter

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As an individual who was diagnosed with ADHD, but whose parents refused to acquire medicine based on superstitious 'but isn't adderall just basically cocaine?' grounds, I assure you I've got an axe about 3,000x bigger than yours to grind at individuals like those who wrote this NYTimes article. I'm sorry to hear that you were diagnosed by an incompetent psychiatric physician, but I would hope you don't use your misfo…

your parents did you a favor. this is a diagnosis which is politically motivated. here's an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania

What does this have to do with the OP and ADHD?

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You can boost productivity for a year or two with Adderall, but over a 10 year period most people will find that they perform better by staying off Adderall and other stimulants.

And we are all in it for the long run, I think.

After taking Adderall (or any stimulant) for long enough, you need the drug just to get to your baseline performance level.

Add onto that the unproductive evenings, crashing on days off the pill, mood swings, likely health repercussions, and the general malaise caused by intentionally inducing your body into flight-or-fight mode.. It adds up to a not-so-pretty picture.

If you want to feel like superman for a while, go for it. As for me, I'll trade short term productivity for low cortisol levels and inner peace.

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As an individual who was diagnosed with ADHD, but whose parents refused to acquire medicine based on superstitious 'but isn't adderall just basically cocaine?' grounds, I assure you I've got an axe about 3,000x bigger than yours to grind at individuals like those who wrote this NYTimes article. I'm sorry to hear that you were diagnosed by an incompetent psychiatric physician, but I would hope you don't use your misfo…

>anti-science Is debate allowed about in science anymore? It seems that everyone who disagrees with the status quo is branded as anti-science, therefore destroying all chances for a constructive discussion.

Huff! Puff! That's antilogic because I disagree! /s

I've always seen debate as the fundamental principle of advancing science (and have no idea what Popper may think on the subject).

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These kinds of articles are often used to delegitimize ADHD as a genuine condition: it actually can be. People can take Adderall for genuine conditions and see improvement. When it comes to the actual diagnosis of ADHD...that's where it gets interesting. Is everyone on an attention spectrum, and ADHD individuals are simply at one extreme? Or is there something completely different about these individuals that can be…

The general understanding is that ADHD is characterized by a spectrum of attention deficit to an extreme.

The process of diagnosis usually involves a self-questionnaire. In my case I somehow managed to fail the questionnaire and the psychologist performed an IQ test.

The IQ test is analyzed to see if you have a processing speed subscore that is significantly lower than your other subscores (all subscores should be roughly equal).

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There is a smart way to do this and not be a complete moron like the author. I take adderall a few times a year and have been doing so since my senior year (2003) in high school and have never come close to this trainwreck. It's a simple approach: know exactly what you have to do before taking it, eat a meal before (since you will have no appetite), take them in the early morning (so you can sleep by night), and fina…

abusing unprescribed drugs makes you a "complete moron", but abusing unprescribed drugs in moderation makes you well informed. note taken.

Is it abuse if you use them for performance reasons and moderate it properly? Just because the distributors of the drug say it is abuse doesn't mean it is - they do not get to decide these things.

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I have the power to conjure energy, intense concentration, motivation, all-nighters, etc all on my own. I call it: stress+goals+pride+enjoyment+intelligence. Sometimes it's a great asset and sometimes it runs me into the ground. In my experience a lot of people are like this (programmers, parents, executives, creatives, lawyers, etc) and we all find our own ways to cope. For me it was a realization of my own body and mind (and that I'm normal) and not buying into someone's diagnosis or someone else's coping strategy.

One of the most reassuring pieces of advice I had during sleepless nights in high school was from an adult who told me he can't sleep a lot and instead of tossing and turning he seizes the moment and works, since that's what he's thinking about anyway. I'm not saying this is healthy advice, I'm saying that he helped me feel normal by letting me in on his coping strategy. Others will tell you they drink tea, or workout, or avoid sugar or caffeine. They all work--for them--and we should take everyone's advice with a grain of salt because we all have very different minds/bodies/lives. I guess the author here found a coping strategy that happened not to work for her, so thank you for sharing.

I'll share my strategy: I take trazodone occasionally as needed to sleep. I let myself get all worked up and be very productive for as long as I think it's healthy for me. Eventually I get on a weird cycle and this corrects it for me. There are all sorts of other things I do but there are so many variables in life, and this is the only one I view as relevant. And who knows, in a few years I might have to try a new strategy.

Everyone's weird and bizarre and has problems. We should stop stigmatizing illness, eccentricities, addiction, medication and start realizing that we're all different and have the potential to be healthy if we find what works for us. Also don't always try to find the root cause and be pragmatic more often.

Also, I should add that I share these details sort of like people do when they admit they're gay. It's not without risk, but I hope someone reading this is helped. And if you think I'm being overly dramatic, this does not apply to you then, because I'm being way underly dramatic.

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How do people who've taken it for most of their adult life cope with adderall usage? I mean, how necessary of a drug does it seem to be -- or, to put it another way, how bad are the withdrawals, compared to antipsychotics, painkillers, etc? And if you've lived with adderall usage, do you chronically feel like you have a reduced appetite and all the other kinds of symptoms? I've heard that happens for people who take…

Just another anecdote for you.

Dose: 10 mg each workday morning.

Side effects: Appetite was severely reduced for the first few weeks, but now I eat normally at meal times (though I don't snack the way I did before). Sleep is fine, no head aches. A slightly elevated blood pressure from before, but not worrisome. However, I am starting to watch sodium intake to combat this. My doctor sees no reason for me not to take Adderall long term.

General experience: Much less anxious and stressed than before, when I was always scared of losing my job. The effects described in the article are much exaggerated from my experience, probably due to the quantity she was consuming. More focus has made work much more fascinating, and led to several small side projects. Social life is better, mostly due to better defined work hours and less anxiety.

The author of the article was fairly stupid- the side effects of Adderall are well known and easily searchable, and she clearly abused her (already high dosage) prescription. Some common sense and restraint would have saved her worlds of pain.

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Ugh, I have hated Methylphenidate, it was really close to ruining my life. It made me feel angry and depressed. I hated the world and every single moment after taking it for some time. Even off of it I felt it semi-permanently affected my brain. I gave Adderral a shot, but again it is quite an unstable drug. Mostly because of it's a Dopamine Uptake Inhibitor. And that usually causes unstable Dopamine levels, meaning…

From what you said atomoxetine is a new age sleeping drug. Not a focusing ADHD drug.

Atomoxetine has different effects in different parts of the brain. In the motivational centers it promotes a sense of tiredness, which tends to wear off after several weeks. In the frontal lobes it increases the action of dopamine, promoting focus and persistence.

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"Using drugs to gain an unfair advantage over other people at work" Perhaps the ABA (American Bar Association) needs to implement a ban on performance enhancing drugs similar to what MLB (Major League Baseball) mandates?

I drink coffee every day. Does that give me an advantage over those who don't drink coffee? If there is an advantage, is that advantage unfair?

People with ADHD often self-medicate with caffeine.

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You can boost productivity for a year or two with Adderall, but over a 10 year period most people will find that they perform better by staying off Adderall and other stimulants. And we are all in it for the long run, I think. After taking Adderall (or any stimulant) for long enough, you need the drug just to get to your baseline performance level. Add onto that the unproductive evenings, crashing on days off the pil…

Any data to back that 10 year claim?

Equating any and all stimulant usage with unproductive evenings, crashing, mood swings, and malaise is pretty exaggerated.

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