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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by SilasX »

readme wrote: post #64
chimeracoder wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They acknowledge the irony in their own post - the only way that they can promote freedom of speech is by forming a partnership with the least free country in the world, not by forming an alliance with the supposedly 'free' countries in Western Europe/North America. In other words, the Western countries' belief in 'freedom of speech' is starting to seem as shallow as the word 'Democratic' in the 'Democratic People's…

Piracy is not freedom of speech. It is the copying and syndication of the intellectual works of others. I suspect more HNers would be upset about piracy, if they weren't using SaaS business models which are not as vulnerable to it. It's really easy to brush off the fact that hundreds of people worked to make that movie you downloaded for free, especially when you never have to look any one of them in the eye. These d…

>Piracy is not freedom of speech. It is the copying and syndication of the intellectual works of others. I suspect more HNers would be upset about piracy, if they weren't using SaaS business models which are not as vulnerable to it.

Or, if they realized how much wealthier they would be if they didn't have to resort to SaaS business models in anticipation of frequent piracy.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by mikeash »

breck wrote: post #189
pyre wrote: post #161

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| Rodman's NK trip If you ever bother to read about any of these accounts, they are all practically cookie-cutter. NK visits are practically on rails. It's not definitive proof of anything, but neither is the lack of visits to NK producing 'smoking gun' photos from prison camps. | Based on that logic, the U.S. is 10x worse with | 2.2 million people in prison right now. 1. The US doesn't throw entire families in jail…

You have some very good points. Brief note: Rodman's trip was very different than most NK trips. He spent a lot of direct time with Un. #1) Good point. I don't know anything about who gets sent to the prison camps in NK. #2) 1/31 of the U.S. adult population is in prison, which is higher than 0.69%. If you were a black male, that number shoots up to 9%. If you were playing the ovarian lottery and wanted to optimize f…

Regarding #2, if I were somehow forced to choose between being in an American prison and living in North Korea, not in prison, I'd have to sit down and do some serious thinking and research before I could make a decision.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by runn1ng »

bm1362 wrote: post #205
runn1ng wrote: post #148

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I don't understand BGP and AS... what does that mean?

Superficial explanation: BGP is the border gateway protocol- you can think of large infrastructure providers as being huge networks that are connected through 'border nodes'. BGP is the protocol it uses to negotiate routes into each other's networks, each provider advertises to the other provider what routes it has available. A common way to make a country go dark is by simply removing the BGP routes advertised for t…

All right... but who is faking this? Who can be faking this and how and how does it change the traceroute?

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by citricsquid »

newishuser wrote: post #237

The Pirate Bay is not concerned with your judgment. The Pirate Bay is concerned with making socio-political statements and providing access to their site, seemingly in that order. Discomfort with the situation is exactly what they are going for. It should make you uneasy that they have to go to North Korea to keep the site online. While they are not martyrs for an easy to grasp cause, and their definition of 'free sp…

Think about what? No sarcasm, genuinely unsure what you're suggesting we should think about, please can you explain what the statement they're making is and what we should be thinking about.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by moriarty »

kragen wrote: post #143
arthulia wrote: post #66

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Wow. I'm happy to turn this into a discussion. North Korea has it worse. There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea says, "The total number of prisoners is estimated to be 150,000 to 200,000." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States says, "According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2010." It seems like the United States is about an order of magnitude…

That quote is out of context. 150,000 to 200,000 is an estimate of the number of political prisoners in North Korea.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by Turing_Machine »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #249
grecy wrote: post #132

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> If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself The parent comment wasn't comparing NK to the USA. It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly.

"It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly." http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM It does? Doesn't Europe have at least one violent ethnic conflict going on at any given time? Usually several?

Here's today's:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/at-least-22-peopl...

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by grecy »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #249
grecy wrote: post #132

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> If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself The parent comment wasn't comparing NK to the USA. It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly.

"It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly." http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM It does? Doesn't Europe have at least one violent ethnic conflict going on at any given time? Usually several?

> It does?

Bottom of the list for everything that matters.

http://www.oecd.org/statistics/

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by ScottBurson »

pflats wrote: post #172
CamperBob2 wrote: post #149

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(Shrug) The money TPB is "diverting" is money that the content industry refuses to accept from its would-be customers. It's the industry's job to ask me what distribution channel I want to use, not dictate what channel they require me to use. When they figure that out, they'll start making money again.

No. It's their content; they make the rules. It's the industry's job to use whatever distribution channels make them and their clients the most money. That's it. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy their content, but it doesn't give you the right to bootleg it. If a content maker doesn't like it, they don't have to use a big publishing house that restricts their sales avenues, but they also know they're proba…

I agree with you that it's not right to bootleg their content anyway, but I also think there is little hope of persuading most people of that. So the content producers are going to have to change their business models.

And I'm not sure they'll come out much worse for it. Imagine if Peter Jackson announced that his next movie would be a free download, and crowdfunded the money to make it. I bet he could raise a couple hundred million dollars without much trouble.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by plainhold »

corresation wrote: post #98
pdeuchler wrote: post #95

Holy Crap. This is... unprecedented. So North Korea will now have access to the entire Western World's culture catalog? For Free?! I wonder how Kim Jong Un will exploit that. And now anyone who downloads a torrent from TPB has potentially been compromised? Or is that alarmist?

So North Korea will now have access to the entire Western World's culture catalog? Understand the difference between the torrent file and the actual data and all shall be revealed.

Pirate Bay mainly uses magnet links, Magnet links are really just links with no data associated with them.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by mikeash »

millerc wrote: post #235
guelo wrote: post #212

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The piratebay does not host content. It is a directory, it is pure speech. "Congress shall make no law..."

I wish people would stop making such jumps in logic to justify an untenable position. Facilitating the download of illegal content has nothing to do with "speech" or personal opinion, even if the phrase can be rewritten as "telling people where to find warez".

One man's "jump" is another man's "obvious". To me, handing out magnet links just looks like another form of speech. Obviously, others disagree, but I'm not going to accuse them of being silly to justify a bad position.
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