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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by chubbard »

breck wrote: post #119
binarymax wrote: post #38

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

Keep in mind that our news media reports only the facts that fit their story of "NK is evil" and don't report any facts to the contrary. I assure you without a doubt it's a lot better place than our media makes it seem. Sure, their undemocratic system of government is a bad one, it's a CVS system when the rest of the world has moved to Git, and they will be A LOT better off when they switch, but the place has a lot o…

Ah yes Dennis Rodman is such a reliable source of information. He has to suck up to low life dictators. He's broke as shit! At this point Rodman is hoping to be anyone's lapdog just for rent money. There are people in prison camps for things their grandfathers did in North Korea. At least the people in the US had a trial by their peers for something they were actually were accused of doing.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by wilfra »

wilfra wrote: post #145

I realize this is propaganda but it's working on me. I'm starting to like Kim Jong-Un. First Eric Schmidt, then Dennis Rodman and now TPB. If these are the kinds of friends he wants to make, I'm a fan. This is a masterful 'fuck you' to the establishment and at the same time an olive branch to the internet generation all over the World. The people who will be running the World in 20, 30, 40 years - when he is still in…

The only two things I dislike about HN:

-It's a crapshoot or manipulation game to hit the front page

-People downvote logical arguments they simply disagree with

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by kingkawn »

grecy wrote: post #132
powertower wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself (it happens when you take everything you have for granted). In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat. And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave th…

> If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself The parent comment wasn't comparing NK to the USA. It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly.

Don't deny them their straw man.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by breck »

theorique wrote: post #165
breck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that our news media reports only the facts that fit their story of "NK is evil" and don't report any facts to the contrary. I assure you without a doubt it's a lot better place than our media makes it seem. Sure, their undemocratic system of government is a bad one, it's a CVS system when the rest of the world has moved to Git, and they will be A LOT better off when they switch, but the place has a lot o…

NK has 200,000 folks in prison camps. Based on that logic, the U.S. is 10x worse with 2.2 million people in prison right now. Per capita calculations or it is meaningless.

Exactly! That was the problem with GS' argument. He didn't compare per capita.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by bm1362 »

runn1ng wrote: post #148
blumentopf wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AS path as seen from the RIPE NCC RIS looking glass for 194.71.107.0/24: ... 2914 39138 22351 131279 51040 ... [NTT America/ARIN] [rrbone/RIPE] [Intelsat/ARIN] [STAR JOINT VENTURE/APNIC] [The Pirate Bay/RIPE] Apart from that /24, STAR JOINT VENTURE only advertises 175.45.176.0/22 (albeit as four /24, idiotically enough). What's kind of interesting is that this /22 is visible with a much shorter AS path: ... 3257 4837…

I don't understand BGP and AS... what does that mean?

Superficial explanation:

BGP is the border gateway protocol- you can think of large infrastructure providers as being huge networks that are connected through 'border nodes'. BGP is the protocol it uses to negotiate routes into each other's networks, each provider advertises to the other provider what routes it has available. A common way to make a country go dark is by simply removing the BGP routes advertised for that country.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by [deleted] »

readme wrote: post #64
chimeracoder wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They acknowledge the irony in their own post - the only way that they can promote freedom of speech is by forming a partnership with the least free country in the world, not by forming an alliance with the supposedly 'free' countries in Western Europe/North America. In other words, the Western countries' belief in 'freedom of speech' is starting to seem as shallow as the word 'Democratic' in the 'Democratic People's…

Piracy is not freedom of speech. It is the copying and syndication of the intellectual works of others. I suspect more HNers would be upset about piracy, if they weren't using SaaS business models which are not as vulnerable to it. It's really easy to brush off the fact that hundreds of people worked to make that movie you downloaded for free, especially when you never have to look any one of them in the eye. These d…

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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by salman89 »

fleitz wrote: post #80
binarymax wrote: post #38

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

Yes, definitely, we should not stand by while companies host their content in countries known to use torture to extract information, hold prisoners with out trial, hold prisoners with out charge, allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily, execute minors and the mentally retarded, incarcerate people at a rate higher than any other country on earth merely in order to serve as slave labour for the state and stat…

Besides for executing minors/mentally handicapped, the US does all those things. Torture (waterboarding), hold prisoners without trial/charge (Guantanamo Bay), allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily (drone strikes), incarcerate people at a high rate for benefit of state sponsored corporations (drug war - privatized jails). I'm not arguing politics - I don't think HN is the place for it, but you should evaluate your perspective and how it might be changing how you view the world.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by krasin »

[deleted] wrote: post #150

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Each Korea pretends it's the only legit Korea. They don't call themselves as North or South. So, it would be politically incorrect to say "We are hosted by North Korea". If they said that, it would be a good sign that they are kidding us.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by Nursie »

pms wrote: post #187
Nursie wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Piracy is not freedom of speech." Of course it is. It's the free exchange of information. If you don't support piracy you don't support absolute free speech. For the record, I do not support absolute free unrestricted speech as it applies to exchange of (for instance) child pornography. I am happy to admit this.

Perhaps, "free speech" is the best term to use here. I think you refer to free culture, and/or free knowledge.

Is the transmission of information (1s and 0s) from one person to another not 'speech'? Would it be a free speech issue if a picture or movie was censored?

I don't know. I do know I've been berated as anti freedom of speech when I've explained my ethical issues with (me personally) running darknet nodes, because I'm unwilling to let CP be transmitted over my resources.

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