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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by dvdhsu »

kragen wrote: post #143
arthulia wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. I'm happy to turn this into a discussion. North Korea has it worse. There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea says, "The total number of prisoners is estimated to be 150,000 to 200,000." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States says, "According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2010." It seems like the United States is about an order of magnitude…

Comparing the actual number of prisoners in two countries isn't very useful since the two countries have different populations. It would be a little like comparing the food consumed each day by everybody in China, compared to the same number in the US. China will consume more food, simply because they have more people! You can't conclude that Chinese people must be 2-3x fatter just from numbers that don't take the population into account. Instead, you want to use the per-capita food consumption; in your case, you would want to look at per-capita prisoner numbers.

The population of the US is around 315 million. The population of North Korea is around 24 million. [1]

If we divide the number of prisoners by the countries' populations, US incarcenates .69% if their people. Assuming NK incarcenates 175,000, that is .71% of their people. These numbers seem similar enough, so perhaps we should instead look at prison conditions. By all reports, North Korea has significantly worse conditions. It's incorrect to claim that North Korea rulers are "less effective".

1. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_populati...

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by chasing »

fleitz wrote: post #121
powertower wrote: post #102

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If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself (it happens when you take everything you have for granted). In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat. And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave th…

How is it that you think I was talking about a country other than NK? Is there a country other than NK with such a piss poor human rights record? Generally when someone murders one person we regard them as a horrid individual we don't say their not that bad because they only killed 1 instead of 10 like that Ted Bundy guy. I didn't say I was living in a police state, the country I live in hasn't executed anyone in 40…

You're right! The United States is JUST LIKE NORTH KOREA! It's uncanny. Like that one time Obama starved the entire population of the country and proved his international bona fides by meeting with Dennis Rodman.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by arthulia »

kragen wrote: post #143
arthulia wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. I'm happy to turn this into a discussion. North Korea has it worse. There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea says, "The total number of prisoners is estimated to be 150,000 to 200,000." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States says, "According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2010." It seems like the United States is about an order of magnitude…

How you could say that is an order of magnitude????? The US has an order of magnitude more people! Using your numbers and Google's population estimates, 8 per 1000 people in NK are prisoners, while 7 per 1000 people in the US are prisoners.

Furthermore, in NK prison camps execution--including child execution--is commonplace. Maybe that will give you a clue as to why their prison population isn't higher.

Grow a brain.

The wars that the US have been waging are fucked up, I agree, but we're talking about the way a country treats its own people.

I don't think the US is perfect, and I readily admit that it has a shameful level of police brutality, but NK is a completely different ballgame.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by kintamanimatt »

cynwoody wrote: post #123
kintamanimatt wrote: post #44

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I get a German IP, 194.71.107.15 and the tracepath results take the route nowhere near Asia.

From a Verizon FiOS connection in Massachusetts, I get: $ traceroute thepiratebay.se traceroute to thepiratebay.se (194.71.107.15), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets ... snip ... 3 ae0-0.bos-bb-rtr2.verizon-gni.net (130.81.209.94) 4.940 ms 3.924 ms 4.962 ms 4 0.xe-8-0-0.br3.nyc4.alter.net (152.63.23.241) 13.551 ms 15.600 ms 14.553 ms 5 204.255.169.234 (204.255.169.234) 14.996 ms 13.661 ms 15.424 ms 6 ae-2.r23.nycmny01.us.…

Hmm, tracepath and traceroute give me differing results. With traceroute the last hop I get is 202.72.96.6 which is apparently Cambodia. traceroute takes me from London to Germany to New York to Cambodia. It's a strange route.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by tg3 »

icebraining wrote: post #133
INTPenis wrote: post #76

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I think this can help you understand their mentality, PRQ, the hosting company behind TPB, have hosted pedophiles. I don't know if they still do because I haven't kept track, but they did for sure host pedophile message boards in 2005-2006 where pedophiles discussed things like raising children for sex. Why? I can only guess that it's because they believe in freedom of speech over everything else.

Do you think child raping pedophiles will stop raping children if they can't host their boards at PRQ?

Just because something will continue to occur does not justify your contribution to it occurring.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by kyllo »

samatman wrote: post #118
kyllo wrote: post #74

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However, the two countries do use a completely different word for "Korea" in the Korean language. In South Korea, they call South Korea "Hanguk" which means "Land of the Han" (Han people being the Korean ethnic group). They call North Korea "Bukhan" which is just "Northern Han." In North Korea, they call themselves "Joseon" which means "morning calm" and was the name of the last Korean kingdom.(cf. http://en.wikipedi…

I was kind of blown away when I realised that the Han (Chinese) refer to the Koreans as "Han", also. Their own autonym is pronounced closer to "Hen".

Han (Chinese) and Han (Korean) are homophones in English and in Korean, but they have a different character and different tone in Chinese, and different meaning. It's completely coincidence that they are both "Han."

For more, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by pdeuchler »

corresation wrote: post #154
pdeuchler wrote: post #129

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Does having access to the torrent file not give you access to the actual data?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrent_file I suppose it gives access in the same way that North Korea visiting Pirate Bay gave them access before. There is a widespread belief that Pirate Bay is some giant repository of a bunch of pirate content, and it simply isn't true. Well, it's true that it's content that aids pirates in finding and downloading that content, but pirate bay itself is quite lightweight.

I understand the difference. I was just assuming that since NK invited TPB they were planning on using it within NK. It also makes sense that if you were planning on downloading a large collection of torrents you would want the best possible access to those torrent files, as opposed to crawling for links.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by tuomasb »

bonyt wrote: post #184
tuomasb wrote: post #72

fale@machine:~$ tcptraceroute -f 128 -m 128 thepiratebay.se Selected device venet0, address 5.9.249.8, port 40771 for outgoing packets Tracing the path to thepiratebay.se (194.71.107.15) on TCP port 80 (www), 128 hops max 128 thepiratebay.org (194.71.107.15) [open] 51.673 ms 49.002 ms 47.187 ms That server is in Germany, no way it's possible to have 50ms to NK. Also traditional traceroute has 500ms+ RTT. They are fak…

Yeah, and why is AS39138 in /all/ the AS paths I tried on that site, when there other ways to AS22351

Exactly. Here is a collection of route-servers and looking glasses which tell you what path a route from ISP x to IP y will take. http://www.bgp4.as/looking-glasses You will see that every single route to 194.71.107.0/24 will travel through AS39138.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by Dylan16807 »

freyr wrote: post #139

I expected more from HN than this knee-jerk support for TPB due to its self-promulgated association with "freedom of information." Freedom of information, in the specific context of The Pirate Bay, means denying content authors the freedom to choose channels of distribution for their work. It means repackaging content, giving it away "for free," while raking in advertising revenue. It means diverting money away from…

I wish people would stop pretending the ads on the pirate bay are of significant value. A couple banner ads is absolutely nothing compared to the cost of content production. TPB could run without ads and nothing would really change. They are not even in the same ballpark as 'raking in' the amounts of money content creators charge. There are in fact services where you pay significant amounts of money for media downloads, like rapidshare, that you can make a good argument are taking money from content producers. But TPB is not in that business.

TL;DR:

TPB allows downloads unapproved by content producers: YES

Banner ads are key to allowing this: NO

Banner ads mean they aren't nonprofit: YES*

Banner ads mean they are taking money from content producers: NO

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by breck »

mikeash wrote: post #180
breck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that our news media reports only the facts that fit their story of "NK is evil" and don't report any facts to the contrary. I assure you without a doubt it's a lot better place than our media makes it seem. Sure, their undemocratic system of government is a bad one, it's a CVS system when the rest of the world has moved to Git, and they will be A LOT better off when they switch, but the place has a lot o…

If North Korea has a lot of good going for it, I'm sure you can give us a few examples.

For sure. (And if you're curious there are some great sources online including one interesting account recently was Eric Schmidt's daughter's blog.)

- Millions of people who have families and I'm sure are pretty happy even if their government sucks. And this is all that really matters at the end of the day.

- Those wide streets look pretty darn cool

- People look healthy (compared to obesity in the U.S.)

- Those massive games they hold each year are pretty impressive

- I'm impressed they figured out how to engineer an n bomb (not happy about it, but impressed)

- I'm impressed they figured out how to get a device in orbit

- Hosting the pirate bay

- Seems like they have a decent subway system, which most countries don't have

- I thought it was really neat that when the power goes out in the subways, everyone is prepared with a flashlight. Smart populace!

Let me also be clear, I think the government of NK sucks! Like, they get the basics wrong. Very wrong. Democracy, capitalism, those things have proven themselves as far superior than their system, imo.

But I don't think there's some dramatic struggle between good and evil going on here. I think in reality it's a lot more practical.

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