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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by binaryatrocity »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #126
breck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that our news media reports only the facts that fit their story of "NK is evil" and don't report any facts to the contrary. I assure you without a doubt it's a lot better place than our media makes it seem. Sure, their undemocratic system of government is a bad one, it's a CVS system when the rest of the world has moved to Git, and they will be A LOT better off when they switch, but the place has a lot o…

Bull. Shit. North Korea is a totalitarian hell hole where there has been an ongoing holocaust of citizens for 6 decades.

And the entire western hemisphere is an imperialist hell hole where there has been an ongoing holocaust of (native/indigenous) citizens for 6 centuries.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by furyofantares »

kragen wrote: post #143
arthulia wrote: post #66

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Wow. I'm happy to turn this into a discussion. North Korea has it worse. There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea says, "The total number of prisoners is estimated to be 150,000 to 200,000." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States says, "According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2010." It seems like the United States is about an order of magnitude…

Using your numbers

USA: 0.71% of the population NK: 0.63-0.83% of the population

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by bonyt »

tuomasb wrote: post #72

fale@machine:~$ tcptraceroute -f 128 -m 128 thepiratebay.se Selected device venet0, address 5.9.249.8, port 40771 for outgoing packets Tracing the path to thepiratebay.se (194.71.107.15) on TCP port 80 (www), 128 hops max 128 thepiratebay.org (194.71.107.15) [open] 51.673 ms 49.002 ms 47.187 ms That server is in Germany, no way it's possible to have 50ms to NK. Also traditional traceroute has 500ms+ RTT. They are fak…

Yeah, and why is AS39138 in /all/ the AS paths I tried on that site, when there other ways to AS22351

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by saraid216 »

doktrin wrote: post #114
chimeracoder wrote: post #29

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They acknowledge the irony in their own post - the only way that they can promote freedom of speech is by forming a partnership with the least free country in the world, not by forming an alliance with the supposedly 'free' countries in Western Europe/North America. In other words, the Western countries' belief in 'freedom of speech' is starting to seem as shallow as the word 'Democratic' in the 'Democratic People's…

I don't believe for one second that North Korea was their only possible option for survival . If anything, getting set up in NK probably took significantly more work and planning than any number of more conventional routes (eastern europe et. al). If this is in fact true, and not a gag, it's an overt political statement, and one I couldn't disagree with more.

They moved to Norway and Spain, and were forced out of Norway as well. I haven't heard about Spain yet.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by CamperBob2 »

pflats wrote: post #172
CamperBob2 wrote: post #149

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(Shrug) The money TPB is "diverting" is money that the content industry refuses to accept from its would-be customers. It's the industry's job to ask me what distribution channel I want to use, not dictate what channel they require me to use. When they figure that out, they'll start making money again.

No. It's their content; they make the rules. It's the industry's job to use whatever distribution channels make them and their clients the most money. That's it. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy their content, but it doesn't give you the right to bootleg it. If a content maker doesn't like it, they don't have to use a big publishing house that restricts their sales avenues, but they also know they're proba…

(Shrug) They can make rules, or they can make money. Their call.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by pms »

Nursie wrote: post #100
readme wrote: post #64

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Piracy is not freedom of speech. It is the copying and syndication of the intellectual works of others. I suspect more HNers would be upset about piracy, if they weren't using SaaS business models which are not as vulnerable to it. It's really easy to brush off the fact that hundreds of people worked to make that movie you downloaded for free, especially when you never have to look any one of them in the eye. These d…

"Piracy is not freedom of speech." Of course it is. It's the free exchange of information. If you don't support piracy you don't support absolute free speech. For the record, I do not support absolute free unrestricted speech as it applies to exchange of (for instance) child pornography. I am happy to admit this.

Perhaps, "free speech" is the best term to use here. I think you refer to free culture, and/or free knowledge.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by stordoff »

kragen wrote: post #143
arthulia wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. I'm happy to turn this into a discussion. North Korea has it worse. There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea says, "The total number of prisoners is estimated to be 150,000 to 200,000." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States says, "According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2010." It seems like the United States is about an order of magnitude…

Taking into account population:

200000/24,451,285 = 0.0081 2,266,800/313,914,040 = 0.0072

I'd say those are roughly the same - it certainly doesn't support a claim that the US is an order of magnitude worse.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by breck »

pyre wrote: post #161
breck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that our news media reports only the facts that fit their story of "NK is evil" and don't report any facts to the contrary. I assure you without a doubt it's a lot better place than our media makes it seem. Sure, their undemocratic system of government is a bad one, it's a CVS system when the rest of the world has moved to Git, and they will be A LOT better off when they switch, but the place has a lot o…

| Rodman's NK trip If you ever bother to read about any of these accounts, they are all practically cookie-cutter. NK visits are practically on rails. It's not definitive proof of anything, but neither is the lack of visits to NK producing 'smoking gun' photos from prison camps. | Based on that logic, the U.S. is 10x worse with | 2.2 million people in prison right now. 1. The US doesn't throw entire families in jail…

You have some very good points.

Brief note: Rodman's trip was very different than most NK trips. He spent a lot of direct time with Un.

#1) Good point. I don't know anything about who gets sent to the prison camps in NK.

#2) 1/31 of the U.S. adult population is in prison, which is higher than 0.69%. If you were a black male, that number shoots up to 9%. If you were playing the ovarian lottery and wanted to optimize for not being in prison and could choose between NK and being a black male in the U.S., you should choose the former.

#3) Good point. I don't know anything about the prison camps in NK.

In general my point is, don't make decisions based on facts provided by homogenous sources. Gather your own sources, see things first hand, and make judgements and decisions based on your own findings. If you make decisions based on data provided by a single source (in this case the U.S media), you aren't making decisions at all--they've already been made for you.

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