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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by Uchikoma »

Uchikoma wrote: post #163
darkchasma wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly confused, are you talking about the United States of America or North Korea. With the exception of the execution of minors, it describes the USA fairly accurately.

He was probably wrong on that and meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_juvenile_offenders_exec...

Correcting myself: "The youngest person to be executed in the 20th century was George Stinney, electrocuted in South Carolina at the age of fourteen on June 16, 1944. [...] The last execution of a juvenile may have been convicted murderer Leonard Shockley, who died in the Maryland gas chamber on April 10, 1959, at the age of 17."

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by pflats »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #149
freyr wrote: post #139

I expected more from HN than this knee-jerk support for TPB due to its self-promulgated association with "freedom of information." Freedom of information, in the specific context of The Pirate Bay, means denying content authors the freedom to choose channels of distribution for their work. It means repackaging content, giving it away "for free," while raking in advertising revenue. It means diverting money away from…

(Shrug) The money TPB is "diverting" is money that the content industry refuses to accept from its would-be customers. It's the industry's job to ask me what distribution channel I want to use, not dictate what channel they require me to use. When they figure that out, they'll start making money again.

No. It's their content; they make the rules. It's the industry's job to use whatever distribution channels make them and their clients the most money. That's it.

If you don't like it, you don't have to buy their content, but it doesn't give you the right to bootleg it.

If a content maker doesn't like it, they don't have to use a big publishing house that restricts their sales avenues, but they also know they're probably going to make less money that way.

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Post by felipeko »

tadfisher wrote: post #105
felipeko wrote: post #87

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Oh well, that's just because US thinks it owns every other country. Just see what they tried to do with Assange and Kim Dotcom. They could've done that countless times with less public people.

I suppose having an extradition treaty with another country implies ownership, now. Thanks for having an enlightening discussion!

The treaty only work when their actions constitute a crime on their resident country. In both cases this is not true.

This didn't stop US from bullying NZ and UK. NZ police even acted unlawfully because of this bullying.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by mich41 »

edwardunknown wrote: post #156
freyr wrote: post #139

I expected more from HN than this knee-jerk support for TPB due to its self-promulgated association with "freedom of information." Freedom of information, in the specific context of The Pirate Bay, means denying content authors the freedom to choose channels of distribution for their work. It means repackaging content, giving it away "for free," while raking in advertising revenue. It means diverting money away from…

I use it everyday but I can admit they're professional thieves who now appear to be under the protection of possibly the most brutal dictatorships on earth. The only reason they're still around is because everybody uses it and that makes it politically difficult to come down hard on them. This probably makes it significantly easier to bring the full force of the US government into play.

> The only reason they're still around is because everybody uses it

And since we are supposed to have democracy here, maybe it's a valid reason?

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by czzarr »

raverbashing wrote: post #70
chimeracoder wrote: post #59

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> but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record? As pointed out yesterday on the Bradley Manning discussion, the US is starting to get to the point where it can't credibly criticize other countries for their human rights abuses, given what goes on in this country. I don't want this to turn into a discussion of whether the US is worse than North Korea, but both have abused…

Everybody has the right to leave the US Nobody has the right to leave NK That alone says loads. The most essential freedom is the freedom to disagree and leave. North Koreans don't have that right.

> Everybody has the right to leave the US

that's not true, both in terms of citizenship and geographical position

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by burntsushi »

arthulia wrote: post #152
burntsushi wrote: post #92

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> There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator. Good, because the grand-parent wasn't trying to.

Ah, I apologize. It seemed like the poster was making a comparison between the US and NK when he said that the US could no longer credibly criticize NK for human rights violations, and that "both have abused [...] human rights in abysmal ways".

That can be true. But that doesn't mean the US is on the same level as NK. Maybe the poster could have been clearer, though.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by benoits »

kragen wrote: post #143
arthulia wrote: post #66

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Wow. I'm happy to turn this into a discussion. North Korea has it worse. There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea says, "The total number of prisoners is estimated to be 150,000 to 200,000." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_United_States says, "According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2010." It seems like the United States is about an order of magnitude…

WTF are you talking about? You are aware that you are comparing a ~300m country with a ~20m one, right? "It seems like the United States is about an order of magnitude worse". your own numbers prove you otherwise. And that's not even counting the proportion of them that are political prisoners (for posing even the tiniest threat to the regime)...

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by MichaelGG »

simcop2387 wrote: post #111
willscott wrote: post #78

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I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ICMP responses are forged - It seems disadvantageous for the site to have such a long path, since each hop has the potential for attack. http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/fakeroute/ can be seen as previous work that it is practical to do something like this.

Not just ICMP, doing a traceroute over tcp also results in this. Looks to be either a really well done forgery, or legitimate.

TCP traceroute relies on ICMP responses, too.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by youngerdryas »

fleitz wrote: post #121
powertower wrote: post #102

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If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself (it happens when you take everything you have for granted). In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat. And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave th…

How is it that you think I was talking about a country other than NK? Is there a country other than NK with such a piss poor human rights record? Generally when someone murders one person we regard them as a horrid individual we don't say their not that bad because they only killed 1 instead of 10 like that Ted Bundy guy. I didn't say I was living in a police state, the country I live in hasn't executed anyone in 40…

And what country are you from?

Edit: Oh I get it, if you you don't say what country you can pretend they are perfect. Brilliant.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by mikeash »

breck wrote: post #119
binarymax wrote: post #38

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

Keep in mind that our news media reports only the facts that fit their story of "NK is evil" and don't report any facts to the contrary. I assure you without a doubt it's a lot better place than our media makes it seem. Sure, their undemocratic system of government is a bad one, it's a CVS system when the rest of the world has moved to Git, and they will be A LOT better off when they switch, but the place has a lot o…

If North Korea has a lot of good going for it, I'm sure you can give us a few examples.
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