The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea • Hacker News Board

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by blumentopf » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:01 PM UTC

willscott wrote: post #78

Wilya wrote: post #37

So. A traceroute to thepiratebay.se is kind of amusing. From my home (Sweden), the packets seem to go to Frankfurt, then New York, take a link via an ip which reverses to intelsatone.net to a cambodgian ip (500ms latency right here), then reach the ip 175.45.177.217, assigned to Star Joint Venture Co Ltd. Who seem to be a legitimate North Korea internet provider (or, well, as legitimate as it gets, coming from North…

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ICMP responses are forged - It seems disadvantageous for the site to have such a long path, since each hop has the potential for attack. http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/fakeroute/ can be seen as previous work that it is practical to do something like this.

No it's not forged as can be seen from the AS path in the global routing table.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by grecy » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:01 PM UTC

powertower wrote: post #102

fleitz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, definitely, we should not stand by while companies host their content in countries known to use torture to extract information, hold prisoners with out trial, hold prisoners with out charge, allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily, execute minors and the mentally retarded, incarcerate people at a rate higher than any other country on earth merely in order to serve as slave labour for the state and stat…

If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself (it happens when you take everything you have for granted). In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat. And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave th…

> If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself

The parent comment wasn't comparing NK to the USA.

It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by icebraining » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:01 PM UTC

INTPenis wrote: post #76

binarymax wrote: post #38

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

I think this can help you understand their mentality, PRQ, the hosting company behind TPB, have hosted pedophiles. I don't know if they still do because I haven't kept track, but they did for sure host pedophile message boards in 2005-2006 where pedophiles discussed things like raising children for sex. Why? I can only guess that it's because they believe in freedom of speech over everything else.

Do you think child raping pedophiles will stop raping children if they can't host their boards at PRQ?

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by supercanuck » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:02 PM UTC

readme wrote: post #64

chimeracoder wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They acknowledge the irony in their own post - the only way that they can promote freedom of speech is by forming a partnership with the least free country in the world, not by forming an alliance with the supposedly 'free' countries in Western Europe/North America. In other words, the Western countries' belief in 'freedom of speech' is starting to seem as shallow as the word 'Democratic' in the 'Democratic People's…

Piracy is not freedom of speech. It is the copying and syndication of the intellectual works of others. I suspect more HNers would be upset about piracy, if they weren't using SaaS business models which are not as vulnerable to it. It's really easy to brush off the fact that hundreds of people worked to make that movie you downloaded for free, especially when you never have to look any one of them in the eye. These d…

The bottom line is it frees up disposable income and its relatively anonymous and easy.

No rationalization needed. No excuses.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by readme » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:02 PM UTC

bmcfeeley wrote: post #120

readme wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is not freedom of speech. It is the copying and syndication of the intellectual works of others. I suspect more HNers would be upset about piracy, if they weren't using SaaS business models which are not as vulnerable to it. It's really easy to brush off the fact that hundreds of people worked to make that movie you downloaded for free, especially when you never have to look any one of them in the eye. These d…

>> It's really easy to brush off the fact that hundreds of people worked to make that movie you downloaded for free, especially when you never have to look any one of them in the eye. How much of your Netflix subscription do you think actually makes it to those hundreds of people?

More than makes it from piracy, for certain.

If you have any facts, I'd love to know.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:03 PM UTC

fleitz wrote: post #121

powertower wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself (it happens when you take everything you have for granted). In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat. And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave th…

How is it that you think I was talking about a country other than NK? Is there a country other than NK with such a piss poor human rights record? Generally when someone murders one person we regard them as a horrid individual we don't say their not that bad because they only killed 1 instead of 10 like that Ted Bundy guy. I didn't say I was living in a police state, the country I live in hasn't executed anyone in 40…

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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by InclinedPlane » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:03 PM UTC

eli wrote: post #22

Sure, just like the airborne Raspberry Pi drone servers. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/03/pirate-bay-plans-...

Did HN just turn stupid? I can only shake my head.

The idea that it would even be feasible for TPB to host in North Korea is ridiculous. The fact that they already have a history of pranks about their hosting should be a big clue.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by baby » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:03 PM UTC

binarymax wrote: post #38

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

you mean America?

on a more serious note, your country is pushing them to leave their own country. Where to go? To your enemies of course.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by freyr » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:03 PM UTC

I expected more from HN than this knee-jerk support for TPB due to its self-promulgated association with "freedom of information." Freedom of information, in the specific context of The Pirate Bay, means denying content authors the freedom to choose channels of distribution for their work. It means repackaging content, giving it away "for free," while raking in advertising revenue. It means diverting money away from the entire chain of content creators (e.g., writers, actors, directors, extras, special effects artists), marketers, distributors, etc., and solely into the pockets of TPB's operators.

It's OK to support freedom of information, and also recognize TPB for what it really is.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by darkchasma » Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 7:05 PM UTC

fleitz wrote: post #80

binarymax wrote: post #38

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

Yes, definitely, we should not stand by while companies host their content in countries known to use torture to extract information, hold prisoners with out trial, hold prisoners with out charge, allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily, execute minors and the mentally retarded, incarcerate people at a rate higher than any other country on earth merely in order to serve as slave labour for the state and stat…

I'm honestly confused, are you talking about the United States of America or North Korea. With the exception of the execution of minors, it describes the USA fairly accurately.