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The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#121
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, definitely, we should not stand by while companies host their content in countries known to use torture to extract information, hold prisoners with out trial, hold prisoners with out charge, allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily, execute minors and the mentally retarded, incarcerate people at a rate higher than any other country on earth merely in order to serve as slave labour for the state and stat…

If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself (it happens when you take everything you have for granted). In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat. And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave th…

How is it that you think I was talking about a country other than NK? Is there a country other than NK with such a piss poor human rights record?

Generally when someone murders one person we regard them as a horrid individual we don't say their not that bad because they only killed 1 instead of 10 like that Ted Bundy guy.

I didn't say I was living in a police state, the country I live in hasn't executed anyone in 40 years, and we certainly didn't think it was a big deal to destroy our nuclear weapons arsenal, stop stockpiling nuclear weapons, or ban landmines. I simply said we should stop hosting websites in countries with numerous years of history of horrid human rights abuse. Imagine living in a country where as recently at 1960 that certain classes of people were forbidden from eating lunch with other classes of people.

I find your definition of police state interesting, would you say that NK would stop being a police state with different emigration policies?

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#122
post #80

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

Yes, definitely, we should not stand by while companies host their content in countries known to use torture to extract information, hold prisoners with out trial, hold prisoners with out charge, allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily, execute minors and the mentally retarded, incarcerate people at a rate higher than any other country on earth merely in order to serve as slave labour for the state and stat…

i lol'ed

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The route goes to NK traceroute thepiratebay.se output: 12 INTELSAT-IN.car1.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.156.82.14) 127.129 ms 121.898 ms 121.857 ms 13 209.159.170.215 (209.159.170.215) 214.763 ms 196.291 ms 210.602 ms 14 202.72.96.6 (202.72.96.6) 697.258 ms 711.336 ms 693.061 ms 15 175.45.177.217 (175.45.177.217) 696.368 ms 699.046 ms 702.013 ms 175.45.177.217 Seems to be an actual IP in NK[0] [0] http://bgp.he.net/AS131…

I get a German IP, 194.71.107.15 and the tracepath results take the route nowhere near Asia.

From a Verizon FiOS connection in Massachusetts, I get:

    $ traceroute thepiratebay.se
    traceroute to thepiratebay.se (194.71.107.15), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
    ... snip ...
     3  ae0-0.bos-bb-rtr2.verizon-gni.net (130.81.209.94)  4.940 ms  3.924 ms  4.962 ms
     4  0.xe-8-0-0.br3.nyc4.alter.net (152.63.23.241)  13.551 ms  15.600 ms  14.553 ms
     5  204.255.169.234 (204.255.169.234)  14.996 ms  13.661 ms  15.424 ms
     6  ae-2.r23.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.148)  14.953 ms  16.048 ms  14.726 ms
     7  ae-6.r21.frnkge03.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.181)  109.988 ms  106.394 ms  107.488 ms
     8  ae-1.r02.frnkge03.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.163)  105.110 ms  108.378 ms  104.977 ms
     9  xe-3-2.r00.dsdfge02.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.61)  129.906 ms  141.522 ms  141.731 ms
    10  213.198.77.122 (213.198.77.122)  105.035 ms  104.582 ms  105.151 ms
    11  * * *
    12  * xe-0-1-0-3.r02.frnkge03.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.62)  143.231 ms *
    13  xe-0.level3.frnkge03.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.8.202)  161.436 ms  125.598 ms  159.774 ms
    14  * vlan90.csw4.frankfurt1.level3.net (4.69.154.254)  262.171 ms  270.225 ms
    15  ae-82-82.ebr2.frankfurt1.level3.net (4.69.140.25)  197.361 ms  214.021 ms  272.423 ms
    16  ae-61-61.csw1.newyork1.level3.net (4.69.134.66)  219.914 ms  244.709 ms  214.996 ms
    17  ae-21-70.car1.newyork1.level3.net (4.69.155.67)  232.323 ms *  203.640 ms
    18  intelsat-in.car1.newyork1.level3.net (64.156.82.14)  319.879 ms *  219.131 ms
    19  rvs-rt0003_fe-0-0 .intelsatone.net (209.159.170.215)  289.920 ms  357.010 ms  332.387 ms
    20  202.72.96.6 (202.72.96.6)  832.528 ms  844.070 ms *
    21  175.45.177.217 (175.45.177.217)  797.110 ms  839.233 ms  859.813 ms
    ... snip ...
    40  * *^C
    $ whois 175.45.177.217
    ... snip ...
    inetnum:        175.45.176.0 - 175.45.179.255
    netname:        STAR-KP
    descr:          Ryugyong-dong
    descr:          Potong-gang District
    country:        KP
    admin-c:        SJVC1-AP
    tech-c:         SJVC1-AP
    status:         ALLOCATED PORTABLE
    mnt-by:         APNIC-HM
    mnt-lower:      MAINT-STAR-KP
    mnt-routes:     MAINT-STAR-KP
    remarks:        -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    remarks:        This object can only be updated by APNIC hostmasters.
    remarks:        To update this object, please contact APNIC
    remarks:        hostmasters and include your organisation's account
    remarks:        name in the subject line.
    remarks:        -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    changed:        hm-changed@apnic.net 20091221
    source:         APNIC
    
    role:           STAR JOINT VENTURE CO LTD - network administrat
    address:        Ryugyong-dong Potong-gang District
    country:        KP
    phone:          +66 81 208 7602
    fax-no:         +66 2 240 3180
    e-mail:         sahayod@loxley.co.th
    admin-c:        SJVC1-AP
    tech-c:         SJVC1-AP
    nic-hdl:        SJVC1-AP
    mnt-by:         MAINT-STAR-KP
    changed:        hm-changed@apnic.net 20091214
    source:         APNIC
    $
KP is North Korea. And their IP, 194.71.107.15, is indeed German. And telephone country code 66 is Thailand.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_North_Korea

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#125
post #119

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

Keep in mind that our news media reports only the facts that fit their story of "NK is evil" and don't report any facts to the contrary. I assure you without a doubt it's a lot better place than our media makes it seem. Sure, their undemocratic system of government is a bad one, it's a CVS system when the rest of the world has moved to Git, and they will be A LOT better off when they switch, but the place has a lot o…

>Based on that logic, the U.S. is 10x worse with 2.2 million people in prison right now.

The US also has 13 times the population. And conditions in US prisons are not comparable to conditions in North Korean prisons.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#126
post #119

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

Keep in mind that our news media reports only the facts that fit their story of "NK is evil" and don't report any facts to the contrary. I assure you without a doubt it's a lot better place than our media makes it seem. Sure, their undemocratic system of government is a bad one, it's a CVS system when the rest of the world has moved to Git, and they will be A LOT better off when they switch, but the place has a lot o…

Bull. Shit.

North Korea is a totalitarian hell hole where there has been an ongoing holocaust of citizens for 6 decades.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#127
post #100
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is not freedom of speech. It is the copying and syndication of the intellectual works of others. I suspect more HNers would be upset about piracy, if they weren't using SaaS business models which are not as vulnerable to it. It's really easy to brush off the fact that hundreds of people worked to make that movie you downloaded for free, especially when you never have to look any one of them in the eye. These d…

"Piracy is not freedom of speech." Of course it is. It's the free exchange of information. If you don't support piracy you don't support absolute free speech. For the record, I do not support absolute free unrestricted speech as it applies to exchange of (for instance) child pornography. I am happy to admit this.

I support absolute free speech and disagree with the definition of "speech" you're using. I may be wrong -- it wouldn't be the first time -- but this makes no sense to me.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#128
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody has the right to leave the US Nobody has the right to leave NK That alone says loads. The most essential freedom is the freedom to disagree and leave. North Koreans don't have that right.

"Everybody has the right to leave the US" Like all generalisations (even this one) that is completely incorrect. I believe there are a lot of people in US custody who are denied that right? I'm not saying they shouldn't be where they are, or that they should have the right to leave, but your blanket statement is wrong. Also see Dmitry Sklyarov for an example of when stepping on the wrong corporate toes can get you in…

"I believe there are a lot of people in US custody who are denied that right?"

Like in every other country? This is pretty much a given, so I generalized within obvious constraints.

"Also see Dmitry Sklyarov"

Yes, that's very bad

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#129

Holy Crap. This is... unprecedented. So North Korea will now have access to the entire Western World's culture catalog? For Free?! I wonder how Kim Jong Un will exploit that. And now anyone who downloads a torrent from TPB has potentially been compromised? Or is that alarmist?

So North Korea will now have access to the entire Western World's culture catalog? Understand the difference between the torrent file and the actual data and all shall be revealed.

Does having access to the torrent file not give you access to the actual data?
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