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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#91

This makes me upset. Its upsetting because while yes, information freedom is a very important topic and needs to happen, but it does not trump human freedom. I'm not sure if this is a straw man or not - but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record?

I agree. Comparing the right for free information to freedom of speech is debatable. But comparing it to freedom of individuality and the right of existence does not strike me funny at all. Joke or not.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record? As pointed out yesterday on the Bradley Manning discussion, the US is starting to get to the point where it can't credibly criticize other countries for their human rights abuses, given what goes on in this country. I don't want this to turn into a discussion of whether the US is worse than North Korea, but both have abused…

Wow. I'm happy to turn this into a discussion. North Korea has it worse. There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator.

> There is no way in hell, you are going to convince me that the US is a bigger domestic human rights violator.

Good, because the grand-parent wasn't trying to.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#93
post #46

Isn't it one month early for April fools? Oh wait... Seriously this is mind boggling! I can't believe it has come to that!

It is, isn't it? UK is a first world country. They've blocked TPB. NK is an oppressive regime. They've blocked everything.

I guess that's the modern difference between "rogue" and "first world" as far as censorship goes. The former block because of threats to the political regime. The latter because of threats to corporate profits.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#95
Holy Crap. This is... unprecedented.

So North Korea will now have access to the entire Western World's culture catalog? For Free?! I wonder how Kim Jong Un will exploit that.

And now anyone who downloads a torrent from TPB has potentially been compromised? Or is that alarmist?

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#96
post #37

So. A traceroute to thepiratebay.se is kind of amusing. From my home (Sweden), the packets seem to go to Frankfurt, then New York, take a link via an ip which reverses to intelsatone.net to a cambodgian ip (500ms latency right here), then reach the ip 175.45.177.217, assigned to Star Joint Venture Co Ltd. Who seem to be a legitimate North Korea internet provider (or, well, as legitimate as it gets, coming from North…

AS path as seen from the RIPE NCC RIS looking glass for 194.71.107.0/24:

... 2914 39138 22351 131279 51040

... [NTT America/ARIN] [rrbone/RIPE] [Intelsat/ARIN] [STAR JOINT VENTURE/APNIC] [The Pirate Bay/RIPE]

Apart from that /24, STAR JOINT VENTURE only advertises 175.45.176.0/22 (albeit as four /24, idiotically enough). What's kind of interesting is that this /22 is visible with a much shorter AS path:

... 3257 4837 131279

... [Tinet/RIPE] [China Netcom/APNIC] [STAR JOINT VENTURE/APNIC]

The question is: Is is deliberate that the Chinese don't allow transit of the Pirate Bay /24 through their network? (As opposed to Intelsat, a Washington-based American company.)

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#97
post #37

So. A traceroute to thepiratebay.se is kind of amusing. From my home (Sweden), the packets seem to go to Frankfurt, then New York, take a link via an ip which reverses to intelsatone.net to a cambodgian ip (500ms latency right here), then reach the ip 175.45.177.217, assigned to Star Joint Venture Co Ltd. Who seem to be a legitimate North Korea internet provider (or, well, as legitimate as it gets, coming from North…

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ICMP responses are forged - It seems disadvantageous for the site to have such a long path, since each hop has the potential for attack. http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/fakeroute/ can be seen as previous work that it is practical to do something like this.

I don't believe forging will help them much - they are doing this to avoid international law enforcement, and international law enforcement can easily check through a simple bluff like that.

Altering routing companies sending traffic through in bulk from Germany-NY-Satellite is far more difficult, but we may see them do this anyway. Time will tell.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#98

Holy Crap. This is... unprecedented. So North Korea will now have access to the entire Western World's culture catalog? For Free?! I wonder how Kim Jong Un will exploit that. And now anyone who downloads a torrent from TPB has potentially been compromised? Or is that alarmist?

So North Korea will now have access to the entire Western World's culture catalog?

Understand the difference between the torrent file and the actual data and all shall be revealed.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#99

This is a pretty interesting bit of gamesmanship. In a single stroke it ties together what is perhaps the greatest threat to global stability today (PRK) and where is perhaps the most ridiculous non-threat to global stability (pirated movies) and sets them as equals. By doing that, it illustrates just how ridiculous the current copyright situation is. Nicely played Piratebay, nicely played.

Of course the other way of looking at it is that the creators of TPB think that threats to their freedom to profit from placing advertisements around links to copyrighted material trump the threats to the freedom of the North Korean people. A lack of PR perspective so perverse it almost makes the RIAA and MPAA look like the good guys.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

#100
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They acknowledge the irony in their own post - the only way that they can promote freedom of speech is by forming a partnership with the least free country in the world, not by forming an alliance with the supposedly 'free' countries in Western Europe/North America. In other words, the Western countries' belief in 'freedom of speech' is starting to seem as shallow as the word 'Democratic' in the 'Democratic People's…

Piracy is not freedom of speech. It is the copying and syndication of the intellectual works of others. I suspect more HNers would be upset about piracy, if they weren't using SaaS business models which are not as vulnerable to it. It's really easy to brush off the fact that hundreds of people worked to make that movie you downloaded for free, especially when you never have to look any one of them in the eye. These d…

"Piracy is not freedom of speech."

Of course it is. It's the free exchange of information. If you don't support piracy you don't support absolute free speech.

For the record, I do not support absolute free unrestricted speech as it applies to exchange of (for instance) child pornography. I am happy to admit this.

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