I've seen this problem come up multiple times, and had to talk to my bank when I got hit by it myself, but I absolutely understand why it happens. In our case it was because we moved from taking registration fees to taking accommodation deposits as well, and suddenly a large amount of money appeared in our account, and it does look very odd. What I'd be interested in seeing would be somebody like eventbrite handling…
Open Source Events Get Burned By PayPal
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Heroku does it with 7-8, maybe ten people for all events around the world. So do other companies like 10gen. Why not PayPal's developer community staff? What's their problem?
I'm absolutely shocked by your level of naivety. Why do you imagine that Heroku and Paypal are even remotely comparable companies? Do you have any conception of the total volume of transactions that paypal processes? It's millions of transactions and hundreds of millions of dollars per day. That's about 3 to 4 orders of magnitude larger than heroku's business.
We'll see PayPal is doing in 5 years. ;-)
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's trivial for the community managers and developer evangelists of PayPal to check on conferences. And it's trivial for anti-fraud people at PayPal check on conferences vetted by the community managers and developer evangelists. If PayPal wants to continue angering the community and world with this blanket policy, that's their problem. We'll all move on to other payment systems as they emerge.
The problem is that you haven't identified PayPal's concern. It's not sussing out whether a conference is real or fake. All of the money is at risk even in a real conference, run by a trustworthy person. You want their evangelists to reach out to conference organizers. If they were intimately involved in every single developer conference worldwide, it still would not eliminate PayPal's risk. It wouldn't solve the pro…
So yeah. I will use them. But if I have any problems with them, I'll take them to small claims over non-compliance with the law.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm absolutely shocked by your level of naivety. Why do you imagine that Heroku and Paypal are even remotely comparable companies? Do you have any conception of the total volume of transactions that paypal processes? It's millions of transactions and hundreds of millions of dollars per day. That's about 3 to 4 orders of magnitude larger than heroku's business.
I guess I'm naive then to assume PayPal is being hurt by Stripe and bad press. We'll see PayPal is doing in 5 years. ;-)
Best case scenario is that competition results either in a new top dog with better customer service or drives paypal to improve. But there's no way you're going to have a situation where tens of thousands of dollars suddenly flowing through an account won't result in lots of roadblocks and red tape. Not unless everyone moves to some sort of greymarket system like bitcoin.
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#35I can't help but mention Bitcoin here. For international things like open source events, it would work just perfectly. Especially given the tech audience that is attracted to these, Bitcoin might be the easiest way to pay for opensource conferences.
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#36I can't help but mention Bitcoin here. For international things like open source events, it would work just perfectly. Especially given the tech audience that is attracted to these, Bitcoin might be the easiest way to pay for opensource conferences.
This is just fantasy. You might as well tell people to trade in gold. If you want to operate a legal business above board there's no reason not to use the existing suite of financial services out there today.
So what was your point exactly?
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#37In any situation involving money, every loophole or mechanism for scamming people will eventually be discovered and then exploited to an extent you never believed possible. Just as the Internet has massively changed the basic economics of almost every industry, it has greatly reduced the risk and costs of widespread fraud to a level that would make Charles Ponzi cry with joy into his spaghetti.
There are teams of extremely intelligent and motivated people who spend their entire working careers figuring out ways to rip off Paypal (and Amazon, eBay, Google, Baidu, Bitcoin merchants, etc...) If a top tier company that deals with money on the Internet is problematic for a certain transaction, then you can be sure that is due to a real problem in the past that resembles that transaction.
Pydanny believes that Paypal's actions are without basis, so he has clearly identified a market inefficiency that is ripe for "disruption".
I think pydanny should take this opportunity to pitch his payments startup, PyPal, to pg and several other top-tier angels/VCs. Make sure to include a slide on fraud and loss prevention, and clearly outline the policy that will differentiate you from Paypal:
"The developer community is critical for the success of PyPal. In a situation where a PyPal account identified only by a Yahoo email address and with limited transaction history receives hundreds of thousands of dollars in deposits for a service that will not be delivered for months, we will not freeze that account under any circumstances. Especially if they self-identify as a Python developer."
Let me know how the pitch meetings go.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is just fantasy. You might as well tell people to trade in gold. If you want to operate a legal business above board there's no reason not to use the existing suite of financial services out there today.
Can you fax gold? Thought so. And cash, which is as traceable as Bitcoin, is not illegal either is it? So what was your point exactly?
Here, let's make this simple. Just list, explicitly, the top 3 reasons for using bitcoin. Then explain how these reasons are unique to bitcoin and also how they fully justify dealing with the problems of dealing with bitcoin (variable exchange rates, difficulty of converting into local denomination funds, etc.).
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#39This is nothing new, like article states. What interests me is that why would tech group that most likely knew PayPal shameful history still trust them with payment solution? Why is it that every one and each enterprenour or new startup has to go with paypal?? Do you really want to learn on your own skin?? This is not 2006 anymore! There is so many other alternatives, some less expensive, that you just need to let Pa…
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you fax gold? Thought so. And cash, which is as traceable as Bitcoin, is not illegal either is it? So what was your point exactly?
What is it, precisely, that you think justifies the use of bitcoin? Here, let's make this simple. Just list, explicitly, the top 3 reasons for using bitcoin. Then explain how these reasons are unique to bitcoin and also how they fully justify dealing with the problems of dealing with bitcoin (variable exchange rates, difficulty of converting into local denomination funds, etc.).
2) Bitcoin transactions are irreversible
3) No third party is involved for the essential transaction (in this case the exchange of Bitcoin(s) for a ticket)
If you use Bitcoins as a method of transporting money you can cash them out as soon as you get them (which is within a few minutes) and getting Bitcoins isn't as hard as people make it out to be.